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[Expatkiwi]

You are right Expat, there is no trust at the moment.
That's why at the negotiations which btw are actually now running on an intensive basis this month they try to cover every detail, so that in case of agreement nobody could cheat each other.
The question is what other option do we have? Imo none.

In your opinion it's the option of partition.
I tell you what. If the TC side really wanted partition, they could of get it very easily through unilateral returning of land. They could of have started returning land until they get down to 18%, half the GC refugees would go home, the other half get the properties of TCs who left and finito!
They would get recognition within a year, and use their friends in the EU and USA to force the stubborn GCs to sign acceptance too.
Now you tell me why they don't do it?

Do they want to negotiate it? Negotiate what? I explained many times in this forum that politically it would be a suicide for the GC side to sit on negotiations for partition. So the only way to get partition is for the Turkish/Tc side to act unilaterally.
So once again I ask. Why don't they do it?

They don't do it because they believe that they are entitled to more than 18% of the island. The 37% current area of TRNC was never meant to be permanent, according to several Turkish Cypriot publications. The extra territory was to be used as a leverage in negotiations, so cession of territory was going to be done, but based on the percentages of claimed TC-own land before 1963 of 25 percent, that is the number that they would not go below.

I do know that RoCy records claim that a lot less land was owned by TC's, but the TC's claim that that 'official' figure had been doctored, so there is still dispute, but the average figure claim seems to fall in the 25% mark.

[boulio]

baesed on the UK Land registry its not even close to 18% let alone 25%

[Expatkiwi]

baesed on the UK Land registry its not even close to 18% let alone 25%

What do their figures state?

[boulio]

I think on personel property its like 13-14% g/c i believe is close to 60-61%the rest is govt and religious land

[Expatkiwi]

I think on personel property its like 13-14% g/c i believe is close to 60-61%the rest is govt and religious land

Is all the religious land owned by the Greek Orthrodox Church? Anyway, the TC's would state that a portion of the Government-Owned land would have to be included. Even if it is 18% of that...

[Pyrpolizer]

Expat have a look at these links.
the first one is an announcement regarding the 1977 talks, so it must be accurate although it comes from GC sources.
The 3rd one is impartial though.

http://agrino.org/humrights/proposals/77prpsal.html

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Maps.htm

http://reference.allrefer.com/country-g ... rus97.html
They all talk for about the same figures.

I will PM you a study I have done in the past. Don't ask me for links for that study, as It will take me months to find them in my records....

[Pyrpolizer]

Probably the TCs base their claims because before the British arrived here, the mouslims in Cyprus were 25%.
A number of those mouslims however were actually GC who converted to avoid the heavy taxation (on christians) by the Ottomans, and after the British came here the converted back. There was a sharp decline of mouslims after the British came here, from what i remember they didn't like the new situation (of someone else rather than them be the boss) so they abandoned the place.

Ethnic Group 1881 1911 1960* 1973*

Christian Cypriots 73.9% 78.2% 78.2% 78.9%
Mouslim Cypriots 24.4% 20.6% 18.13% 18.4%

*In the 1960 and 1973 censuses, in accordance with the 1960 Constitution, the small religious minorities of Maronites, Armenians and Latins opted to be classified demographically within the Greek Cypriot community.

Above dated copied pasted from my library. The internet link doesn't work anymore...

[Kikapu]

Very well put, thats why Kikapu will never be taken seriously due to his biased TCs will just reject eberything he says because he never displays any support on any issue that is close to the TC viewpoint....for us he might as well be a GC which imo he already is.

When was the last time have you ever criticized anything that goes on in the north relating to the violations of GCs refugees Human Rights.? Actually, that would be a very hard question for you to answer, so let me make it very easy for you. When was the last time you have ever criticized the north’s wrong doings in anything?. Once you have answered the above questions, we can then discuss about your "biased" claims. Have I not given you a BBF plan that covers all your needs and concerns, that only one GC liked it. If it was such a biased plan in favouring the GCs, don't you think more would have signed on. You did not like it, because it was not a partition plan............period.!

[Kikapu]

At least Bir does support TC viewpoint as well, unlike the GC arse licker Kikapooo.

Why don't you list us what those "TC views" are, and lets see if they are different from mine, VP.?

I see you are once again fetish’n on arse lickings. Have you been having private sessions with your "Midnight Cowboy" friend again, VP.?

[Kikapu]

We do not harbour any bad feelings towards anyone despite losing members from our extended family in the conflict, but then again, who hasn't from both sides on a small island like Cyprus. All my family from my father's side are in the UK as well as my sister in Turkey. They have built their lives in those countries, therefore that's where they will stay.

Bir, regarding the above quote from "part 2" post to you, I have forgotten about one sister and her TC husband who have built a home in the north and were thinking of retiring there at some point in the future, but to the best of my knowledge, I do not know how things stand now, since both their children are in the process of getting "hitched" in the UK and not in Cyprus as they had wanted for them at one point in the past. I do not see them too often, perhaps once a year in the UK for few hours for a dinner which they did assure me that it is built on TC land, but then again, they are Denktash lovers and have the belief that all the land in the north is "Turkish", so who knows what the truth is. They are also very anti GC anything. Needless to say, I get their blood pressure working when ever we meet. They have been put off by the number of settlers in the north however, so I think they are having second thoughts about ever moving to Cyprus. I don’t know how this slipped my mind.