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[Expatkiwi]

you should mind your own business PYRO.Like i said there is suffering on both communities not just one.And claiming that Bir is not at all what i say?do you know what Pompous even means?

I'd call him an astute member of the forum...

[boulio]

maybe but lately i would apply Pompous.Attitude has changed 360 degrees from his older posts.I was a old memebr of this forum and remeber Bir.not the same person.

[Viewpoint]

The trouble is,dear Pyro,I believe Kikapu has got it wrong...Turkey will never choose the EU over the trnc...Not because of the TC interests of course...The AKP will not do it because they really do not want to get into the EU,they pretend to keep the ARMY at bay...The Cyprus situation is ideal for them in this regard...And when the nationalists return to power eventually they would not do it because for them it is unthinkable on Turkish nationalism grounds...Their raison d'etre...So those who are hoping for EU presure to make Turkey capitulate are simply fooling themselves...The status quo will continue,the TCs will become extinct,except those who live in the South or diaspora...Till one day some lunatic from the Roc or Turkey decides the time has come for an all out war/final solution....More pain,suffering and loss for Cypriots...

Times are changing dear Bir, and what counts today and what will certainly count in the next decades, is not nationalists or the Army but Economic power, and globalisation. This is what the EU is all about.

Perhaps you will be proven wrong in your predictions, perhaps you will be proven right. The same goes for my predictions and Kikapu's predictions. However there is a common denominator to all these, namely your highlighted red part. Kikapu chose his own way to warn his community (which looks as if it is a support for the GCs). Imo it all derives from the fact that he sees his own community constantly driving for almost 50 years towards losing it all. Should he be supportive to "their struggle" or should he be "warning"? That's the big question.

I will take this up with Kikapu later in my response to his latest post to me,but I can give you a preview here,dear Pyro...Though I understand his logic,by never criticising the GC stands Kikapu has sort of neutralised himself in the TC eyes...His warnings fall on deaf ears,because his arguments are very similar to GC arguments...As far as the TCs are concerned he might as well be a GC issuing warnings...do you know what I mean???I am not passing judgement here on the quality of his "warnings"...I am talking about their effectiveness...
Anyway,time will tell...Hope we all stick around long enough to see what exactly time has to tell...

Very well put, thats why Kikapu will never be taken seriously due to his biased TCs will just reject eberything he says because he never displays any support on any issue that is close to the TC viewpoint....for us he might as well be a GC which imo he already is.

[BirKibrisli]

I will take this up with Kikapu later in my response to his latest post to me,but I can give you a preview here,dear Pyro...Though I understand his logic,by never criticising the GC stands Kikapu has sort of neutralised himself in the TC eyes...His warnings fall on deaf ears,because his arguments are very similar to GC arguments...As far as the TCs are concerned he might as well be a GC issuing warnings...do you know what I mean???I am not passing judgement here on the quality of his "warnings"...I am talking about their effectiveness...
Anyway,time will tell...Hope we all stick around long enough to see what exactly time has to tell...

Bir, please do me a big favour and do not respond to my last post to you until I finish responding to your last part of your post to me, otherwise I'll end up responding to your latest and the latter will just get left behind. You deserve a response, so please be patient with me.. I will get to it as soon as possible......Thanks.!

Sure thing...Cyprus problem was not created in one day,and we will not solve it in one day,here on the Forum....

[YFred]

The trouble is,dear Pyro,I believe Kikapu has got it wrong...Turkey will never choose the EU over the trnc...Not because of the TC interests of course...The AKP will not do it because they really do not want to get into the EU,they pretend to keep the ARMY at bay...The Cyprus situation is ideal for them in this regard...And when the nationalists return to power eventually they would not do it because for them it is unthinkable on Turkish nationalism grounds...Their raison d'etre...So those who are hoping for EU presure to make Turkey capitulate are simply fooling themselves...The status quo will continue,the TCs will become extinct,except those who live in the South or diaspora...Till one day some lunatic from the Roc or Turkey decides the time has come for an all out war/final solution....More pain,suffering and loss for Cypriots...

Times are changing dear Bir, and what counts today and what will certainly count in the next decades, is not nationalists or the Army but Economic power, and globalisation. This is what the EU is all about.

Perhaps you will be proven wrong in your predictions, perhaps you will be proven right. The same goes for my predictions and Kikapu's predictions. However there is a common denominator to all these, namely your highlighted red part. Kikapu chose his own way to warn his community (which looks as if it is a support for the GCs). Imo it all derives from the fact that he sees his own community constantly driving for almost 50 years towards losing it all. Should he be supportive to "their struggle" or should he be "warning"? That's the big question.

I will take this up with Kikapu later in my response to his latest post to me,but I can give you a preview here,dear Pyro...Though I understand his logic,by never criticising the GC stands Kikapu has sort of neutralised himself in the TC eyes...His warnings fall on deaf ears,because his arguments are very similar to GC arguments...As far as the TCs are concerned he might as well be a GC issuing warnings...do you know what I mean???I am not passing judgement here on the quality of his "warnings"...I am talking about their effectiveness...
Anyway,time will tell...Hope we all stick around long enough to see what exactly time has to tell...

Very well put, thats why Kikapu will never be taken seriously due to his biased TCs will just reject eberything he says because he never displays any support on any issue that is close to the TC viewpoint....for us he might as well be a GC which imo he already is.

I would go one stage further. He actually is pally pally with the worst fascistic GCs on this site. That is just incredible because he has one principle for the TCs and another for fascistic GCs. He calls them brothers. He may as well be the original eoka, it will make no difference. He thinks he is as fair as Deniz. He has very high opinion of himself which makes him like every despot dictator when they start believing their own propaganda.

[Viewpoint]

The trouble is,dear Pyro,I believe Kikapu has got it wrong...Turkey will never choose the EU over the trnc...Not because of the TC interests of course...The AKP will not do it because they really do not want to get into the EU,they pretend to keep the ARMY at bay...The Cyprus situation is ideal for them in this regard...And when the nationalists return to power eventually they would not do it because for them it is unthinkable on Turkish nationalism grounds...Their raison d'etre...So those who are hoping for EU presure to make Turkey capitulate are simply fooling themselves...The status quo will continue,the TCs will become extinct,except those who live in the South or diaspora...Till one day some lunatic from the Roc or Turkey decides the time has come for an all out war/final solution....More pain,suffering and loss for Cypriots...

Times are changing dear Bir, and what counts today and what will certainly count in the next decades, is not nationalists or the Army but Economic power, and globalisation. This is what the EU is all about.

Perhaps you will be proven wrong in your predictions, perhaps you will be proven right. The same goes for my predictions and Kikapu's predictions. However there is a common denominator to all these, namely your highlighted red part. Kikapu chose his own way to warn his community (which looks as if it is a support for the GCs). Imo it all derives from the fact that he sees his own community constantly driving for almost 50 years towards losing it all. Should he be supportive to "their struggle" or should he be "warning"? That's the big question.

I will take this up with Kikapu later in my response to his latest post to me,but I can give you a preview here,dear Pyro...Though I understand his logic,by never criticising the GC stands Kikapu has sort of neutralised himself in the TC eyes...His warnings fall on deaf ears,because his arguments are very similar to GC arguments...As far as the TCs are concerned he might as well be a GC issuing warnings...do you know what I mean???I am not passing judgement here on the quality of his "warnings"...I am talking about their effectiveness...
Anyway,time will tell...Hope we all stick around long enough to see what exactly time has to tell...

Very well put, thats why Kikapu will never be taken seriously due to his biased TCs will just reject eberything he says because he never displays any support on any issue that is close to the TC viewpoint....for us he might as well be a GC which imo he already is.

I would go one stage further. He actually is pally pally with the worst fascistic GCs on this site. That is just incredible because he has one principle for the TCs and another for fascistic GCs. He calls them brothers. He may as well be the original eoka, it will make no difference. He thinks he is as fair as Deniz. He has very high opinion of himself which makes him like every despot dictator when they start believing their own propaganda.

At least Bir does support TC viewpoint as well, unlike the GC arse licker Kikapooo.

[BirKibrisli]

So you are a mainland Greek? I am surprised that you have this mentality....The mentality is the one which makes you extra sensitive to the suffering of your own,but totally indifferent to the suffering of the others....The event I was describing happened sometime between Dec 63 and March 64...There was no Turkish raping of any women and girls at that time...But the bitterness and hatred in your heart towards all things Turkish and Turkish Cypriot makes you totally cold to the predicament of a 12 year old boy who, for some 48 hours, wandered around with a hangrenade in his pocket wondering whether he would have to pull the pin and kill himself, his mother and 3 sisters....And you are calling me pompous??? Thank you for showing your colours,.you are going onto my black list of people I will never respond to again... You dont belong to the human race,my friend...You are below contempt...

Are you stupid or just playing stupid?And the event that im describing happened from july 1974-august 1974 whats your point?there was suffering on both sides but for some reason you keep highlighting your suffuering and yes i admit the t/c may have suffered but so did the g/c and by constantly trying to elavate the t/c suffering to that of the g/c you are pompous and i could care less if you respond to me or not.

Please STOP IT man!!!
You should of have apologized to Bir, on the first place.... I just forgive you because you don't know that Bir is NOT AT ALL what you say.

Thank you for your sensitivity,dear Pyro...
Our friend boulio exemplifies why we are where we are,and why it will be almost impossible to solve Cyprob...And he is not alone...Unlike you and me,he is incapable of showing empathy and compasson to the "other" side...His mind is made up,his people are the only ones who REALLY suffered,and any mention of the other's pain or suffering makes him see red...The fact that he seems to know my earlier posts makes it worse for him...He does not want to hear anybody else's plight unless in the same breath you mention his people's plight as well,which he consideres to be so serious that no other plight must be allowed to enter into the equation...He doesn't realise that I am the same person,the person he cheered on when I was talking about the things he wanted to hear...It is my realisation that the GCs and some mainland Greeks as well has really no idea about the pain and loss of the TCs in this conflict which made me start talking about my community's experiences...Yet,I feel I can't be too hard on bulio,I have no idea where he is coming from...He might know people with personal trauma associated with our little conflict,or he might be a product of the brainwashing and hate mongering system we know so well from our own experiences....

[YFred]

The trouble is,dear Pyro,I believe Kikapu has got it wrong...Turkey will never choose the EU over the trnc...Not because of the TC interests of course...The AKP will not do it because they really do not want to get into the EU,they pretend to keep the ARMY at bay...The Cyprus situation is ideal for them in this regard...And when the nationalists return to power eventually they would not do it because for them it is unthinkable on Turkish nationalism grounds...Their raison d'etre...So those who are hoping for EU presure to make Turkey capitulate are simply fooling themselves...The status quo will continue,the TCs will become extinct,except those who live in the South or diaspora...Till one day some lunatic from the Roc or Turkey decides the time has come for an all out war/final solution....More pain,suffering and loss for Cypriots...

Times are changing dear Bir, and what counts today and what will certainly count in the next decades, is not nationalists or the Army but Economic power, and globalisation. This is what the EU is all about.

Perhaps you will be proven wrong in your predictions, perhaps you will be proven right. The same goes for my predictions and Kikapu's predictions. However there is a common denominator to all these, namely your highlighted red part. Kikapu chose his own way to warn his community (which looks as if it is a support for the GCs). Imo it all derives from the fact that he sees his own community constantly driving for almost 50 years towards losing it all. Should he be supportive to "their struggle" or should he be "warning"? That's the big question.

I will take this up with Kikapu later in my response to his latest post to me,but I can give you a preview here,dear Pyro...Though I understand his logic,by never criticising the GC stands Kikapu has sort of neutralised himself in the TC eyes...His warnings fall on deaf ears,because his arguments are very similar to GC arguments...As far as the TCs are concerned he might as well be a GC issuing warnings...do you know what I mean???I am not passing judgement here on the quality of his "warnings"...I am talking about their effectiveness...
Anyway,time will tell...Hope we all stick around long enough to see what exactly time has to tell...

Very well put, thats why Kikapu will never be taken seriously due to his biased TCs will just reject eberything he says because he never displays any support on any issue that is close to the TC viewpoint....for us he might as well be a GC which imo he already is.

I would go one stage further. He actually is pally pally with the worst fascistic GCs on this site. That is just incredible because he has one principle for the TCs and another for fascistic GCs. He calls them brothers. He may as well be the original eoka, it will make no difference. He thinks he is as fair as Deniz. He has very high opinion of himself which makes him like every despot dictator when they start believing their own propaganda.

At least Bir does support TC viewpoint as well, unlike the GC arse licker Kikapooo.

It is not just a matter of balancing act. There is a huge amount which needs to change in the roc and yet our friendly GCs friends are oblivious to it. All you have to do is see how the judges treat the TC claims vs the GC claims. It is not rocket science to see that roc at present is not going to be acceptable to 95% of TCs. Tcs have to wait until there is peace agreement and it seem GCs do not. If that is not a racist system, I don't know what is. They can continue to bury their heads in the sand and partition is what they are going to get in the end. The can then take their anger on the Oramses of this world all they like. If Muhtar X's mentality is like the mentality of GCs on this forum, I can't see an agreement in the next million years.

[only me]

I have just taken the time to watch this broadcast by some ignorant American. As usual they go straight to 1974 and say that was the beginning of the Cyprus problem. It has been said many times that it started long before then and even if it was just 1974 it was started by the Greeks and their love of mainland Greece. Nobody ever mentions all the Turkish Cypriot Refugees from Paphos, Larnaca, Limmasol etc. or those who fled in the 60's to escape persecution. OH NO it's always the poor Greek Cypriot refugees..............makes me sick how these people have fooled the world by filling their children with false stories and choosing to miss out huge chunks of history. Even the EU got fooled into thinking a solution as promised by both sides would be on the table for Cyprus to join the EU. NO the GC's lied again led by their evil Prime Minister.
I'm afraid there is no chance of any solution it certainly would not be as good as the Annan plan for the Greeks , not now in 2010. You've blown it especially now this Orams property case has been 'won' by your 'refugee'.!
visit http://www.embargoed.org/ for the REAL truth, especially you British in the South who show a complete lack of understanding of the Island they live on. The Greeks are brainwashed but the British should at least investigate there adopted homeland.

[DT.]

I have just taken the time to watch this broadcast by some ignorant American. As usual they go straight to 1974 and say that was the beginning of the Cyprus problem. It has been said many times that it started long before then and even if it was just 1974 it was started by the Greeks and their love of mainland Greece. Nobody ever mentions all the Turkish Cypriot Refugees from Paphos, Larnaca, Limmasol etc. or those who fled in the 60's to escape persecution. OH NO it's always the poor Greek Cypriot refugees..............makes me sick how these people have fooled the world by filling their children with false stories and choosing to miss out huge chunks of history. Even the EU got fooled into thinking a solution as promised by both sides would be on the table for Cyprus to join the EU. NO the GC's lied again led by their evil Prime Minister.
I'm afraid there is no chance of any solution it certainly would not be as good as the Annan plan for the Greeks , not now in 2010. You've blown it especially now this Orams property case has been 'won' by your 'refugee'.!
visit http://www.embargoed.org/ for the REAL truth, especially you British in the South who show a complete lack of understanding of the Island they live on. The Greeks are brainwashed but the British should at least investigate there adopted homeland.

Someone who thinks the Republic of Cyprus has a Prime Minister should stop there before filling us with their "facts".

As for your real truths, I suggest you stop misinforming people into losing more of their life savings.