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Postby Oracle » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:49 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:My experience of the British soldiers in the late 50s was one of polite incompetence... Our house was often searched by the Johnnies,as we called them...They were looking for illegal weapons as they rightly suspected my father being the local TMT commandant.They never found any...The weapons (sten guns,hand grenades,pistols,ammunition etc) were often hastily thrown into beds with us children,who pretended to be asleep or sick,depending on the time of day...They looked everywhere except in our beds...They couldn't imagine children being abused in such manner, I suppose...


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Postby Oracle » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:54 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Yeah Stella mou but it was his DAD who gave him the Granade... it was not something political coming from the TMT it was a matter of life or death for a whole family.And the poor boy had the trigger in his hand... that's schocking...

Empathy should go without saying in this matter, come on guys.


I thought he said his dad was in the TMT ....

(I find the whole episode abhorrent and despise all those who torture the weak and young. It is the saddest aspect of our primitive instincts ... :( )


Yes he was, what i meant it was not part of the political maneuver or of the official TMT fear spreading policy. Jeez you don't do such things on purpose to your own family. :oops:


Read his statement. Sounds like his father wasn't "conventional" in any sense ...

I feel for BirKibrisli, personally, and as a mother of a 12 year old.

My hate is for the members of the TMT who destroyed Cyprus by destroying their own people ... including children, in this manner exemplified by Bir!
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:58 pm

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The trouble is,dear Pyro,I believe Kikapu has got it wrong...Turkey will never choose the EU over the trnc...Not because of the TC interests of course...The AKP will not do it because they really do not want to get into the EU,they pretend to keep the ARMY at bay...The Cyprus situation is ideal for them in this regard...And when the nationalists return to power eventually they would not do it because for them it is unthinkable on Turkish nationalism grounds...Their raison d'etre...So those who are hoping for EU presure to make Turkey capitulate are simply fooling themselves...The status quo will continue,the TCs will become extinct,except those who live in the South or diaspora...Till one day some lunatic from the Roc or Turkey decides the time has come for an all out war/final solution....More pain,suffering and loss for Cypriots... :(


Times are changing dear Bir, and what counts today and what will certainly count in the next decades, is not nationalists or the Army but Economic power, and globalisation. This is what the EU is all about.

Perhaps you will be proven wrong in your predictions, perhaps you will be proven right. The same goes for my predictions and Kikapu's predictions. However there is a common denominator to all these, namely your highlighted red part. Kikapu chose his own way to warn his community (which looks as if it is a support for the GCs). Imo it all derives from the fact that he sees his own community constantly driving for almost 50 years towards losing it all. Should he be supportive to "their struggle" or should he be "warning"? That's the big question.:wink:


I will take this up with Kikapu later in my response to his latest post to me,but I can give you a preview here,dear Pyro...Though I understand his logic,by never criticising the GC stands Kikapu has sort of neutralised himself in the TC eyes...His warnings fall on deaf ears,because his arguments are very similar to GC arguments...As far as the TCs are concerned he might as well be a GC issuing warnings...do you know what I mean???I am not passing judgement here on the quality of his "warnings"...I am talking about their effectiveness...
Anyway,time will tell...Hope we all stick around long enough to see what exactly time has to tell... :wink:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:05 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Btw i consider those thoughts that the occupied part of Cyprus will be flooded by millions of settlers as "a fear spreading tactic". We know very well there are about 80-100K settlers right now compared to about 70-80K original TC's. The vast majority of those settlers came because they were given free properties homes and and lands. There are no more free homes properties and lands to give them...The economy cannot absorb any more cheap labourers from Turkey...


I hope you are right,Pyro...but my insider information is that the settlers are at least 300,000...Halil has talked about 500-600 thousand settlers,and the journalists on Afrika are talking about 900,000...It is diffcult for me to tell where the truth lies,since I havent been to the trnc since 1999...
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:09 pm

DT. wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Btw i consider those thoughts that the occupied part of Cyprus will be flooded by millions of settlers as "a fear spreading tactic". We know very well there are about 80-100K settlers right now compared to about 70-80K original TC's. The vast majority of those settlers came because they were given free properties homes and and lands. There are no more free homes properties and lands to give them...The economy cannot absorb any more cheap labourers from Turkey...


What economy? 1/3 of them are civil servants paid by Turkey and the rest of the economy is made up of scraps that were made by selling our properties. As far as I'm conerned the only one doing any work over there is iceman.


Can you tell us what work iceman is doing,DT... :wink:
No hidden motives here,just curious... :)
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Postby YFred » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:24 pm

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Oracle wrote:I have no doubt BirKibrisli felt real fear, as did other TCs (forget the GCs for now) ... but that fear was instigated by the TCs' own propaganda machines ... the TMT.

Sad as that is; there is no doubt the deliberate act of installation of fear, pain and death, systematically and race-specifically carried out by Turkish soldiers on thousands of men, women and children, is one of the most disgusting forms of barbarous behaviour which deserves the utmost condemnation.

So it had nothing to do with eoka firing from a church up on the hill then, you stupid cow.


Well, what where you doing on that hill in the first place?

No DT I was not on the hill, your brave eoka men were. I was playing piriluthga with my friends outside my house on my father's land(TC land), when they started firing at us.
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:28 pm

Re the searches by Johnnies and their polite incompetence, I do not deny Bir's experience, but I must assert my own.

When our houses were searched all toy pistols were broken. The law at that time forbade the possession of even toy handguns and on returning to Limassol from Beirut all children on the ship had to surrender their toy pistols to a ginger haired army captain who broke them to bits on Limassol pier.

As for politeness, we experienced none of that. Searches were sweeping and involved the turning over of beds, emptying of sideboards and in some cases the digging up of floors. This happened to our house in Famagusta, 28th of October street, where they dug up the backyard. It seems that there were different standards applied to the two communities, which also explains why GCs were executed for the possession of arms but no TCs were sentenced for such offences.

Everyone suffers after effects from such experiences. My reaction was to learn how to make guns so no schmuck would ever disarm me. It certainly helped my career prospects!
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Postby Oracle » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:31 pm

YFred wrote:
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Oracle wrote:I have no doubt BirKibrisli felt real fear, as did other TCs (forget the GCs for now) ... but that fear was instigated by the TCs' own propaganda machines ... the TMT.

Sad as that is; there is no doubt the deliberate act of installation of fear, pain and death, systematically and race-specifically carried out by Turkish soldiers on thousands of men, women and children, is one of the most disgusting forms of barbarous behaviour which deserves the utmost condemnation.

So it had nothing to do with eoka firing from a church up on the hill then, you stupid cow.


Well, what where you doing on that hill in the first place?

No DT I was not on the hill, your brave eoka men were. I was playing piriluthga with my friends outside my house on my father's land(TC land), when they started firing at us.
Get it? please follow the subject matter.


When did this happen?

You were 2 years old in 1960 when EOKA did not fire a single shot.

But TMT fired plenty!

Rather unlikely for a 2 year old to identify men with guns high on a hill as being "EOKA" ... your little brainwashed brain is riddled with holes ....
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:37 pm

Oracle wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:I have no doubt BirKibrisli felt real fear, as did other TCs (forget the GCs for now) ... but that fear was instigated by the TCs' own propaganda machines ... the TMT.

Sad as that is; there is no doubt the deliberate act of installation of fear, pain and death, systematically and race-specifically carried out by Turkish soldiers on thousands of men, women and children, is one of the most disgusting forms of barbarous behaviour which deserves the utmost condemnation.

So it had nothing to do with eoka firing from a church up on the hill then, you stupid cow.


Well, what where you doing on that hill in the first place?

No DT I was not on the hill, your brave eoka men were. I was playing piriluthga with my friends outside my house on my father's land(TC land), when they started firing at us.
Get it? please follow the subject matter.


When did this happen?

You were 2 years old in 1960 when EOKA did not fire a single shot.

But TMT fired plenty!

Rather unlikely for a 2 year old to identify men with guns high on a hill as being "EOKA" ... your little brainwashed brain is riddled with holes ....



As you highlighted O' mou. they (EOKA) did not fire a single shot but many. :lol: :lol:
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Postby YFred » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:41 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:I have no doubt BirKibrisli felt real fear, as did other TCs (forget the GCs for now) ... but that fear was instigated by the TCs' own propaganda machines ... the TMT.

Sad as that is; there is no doubt the deliberate act of installation of fear, pain and death, systematically and race-specifically carried out by Turkish soldiers on thousands of men, women and children, is one of the most disgusting forms of barbarous behaviour which deserves the utmost condemnation.

So it had nothing to do with eoka firing from a church up on the hill then, you stupid cow.


Well, what where you doing on that hill in the first place?

No DT I was not on the hill, your brave eoka men were. I was playing piriluthga with my friends outside my house on my father's land(TC land), when they started firing at us.
Get it? please follow the subject matter.


When did this happen?

You were 2 years old in 1960 when EOKA did not fire a single shot.

But TMT fired plenty!

Rather unlikely for a 2 year old to identify men with guns high on a hill as being "EOKA" ... your little brainwashed brain is riddled with holes ....



As you highlighted O' mou. they (EOKA) did not fire a single shot but many. :lol: :lol:

For Oracle's personal education, it was 1963, and I was 5 years old, and we dug up one of the bullets and it had eoka inscribed on it not on my brain.
So there, get stuffed like a good cow old girl.
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