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[YFred]

Btw i consider those thoughts that the occupied part of Cyprus will be flooded by millions of settlers as "a fear spreading tactic". We know very well there are about 80-100K settlers right now compared to about 70-80K original TC's. The vast majority of those settlers came because they were given free properties homes and and lands. There are no more free homes properties and lands to give them...The economy cannot absorb any more cheap labourers from Turkey...

What economy? 1/3 of them are civil servants paid by Turkey and the rest of the economy is made up of scraps that were made by selling our properties. As far as I'm conerned the only one doing any work over there is iceman.

Let as not forget the Lurucadi farmers and shepherds on “TC land”, salt of the earth and all that, what?

[Pyrpolizer]

You nd vp dont address the point i was trying to make,and firstly im not a g/c but of mainland greek and secondly what mentality do i have?you at least had a hand grenade what did the women and girls have against the turkish raping?

The point you were trying to make was inappropriate my friend. You don't go to someone's funeral telling the relatives, they were lucky because their loved one died from heart attack, whereas your loved one died from cancer.

Birkibrisli described us all his life experiences in Cyprus, and I tell you it was all schoking, and he also included his kidnaping by some TMT people.

Imagine you were 12 years old and same thing had happened to you....

[Oracle]

I have no doubt BirKibrisli felt real fear, as did other TCs (forget the GCs for now) ... but that fear was instigated by the TCs' own propaganda machines ... the TMT.

Sad as that is; there is no doubt the deliberate act of installation of fear, pain and death, systematically and race-specifically carried out by Turkish soldiers on thousands of men, women and children, is one of the most disgusting forms of barbarous behaviour which deserves the utmost condemnation.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yeah Stella mou but it was his DAD who gave him the Granade... it was not something political coming from the TMT it was a matter of life or death for a whole family.And the poor boy had the trigger in his hand... that's schocking...

Empathy should go without saying in this matter, come on guys.

[YFred]

I have no doubt BirKibrisli felt real fear, as did other TCs (forget the GCs for now) ... but that fear was instigated by the TCs' own propaganda machines ... the TMT.

Sad as that is; there is no doubt the deliberate act of installation of fear, pain and death, systematically and race-specifically carried out by Turkish soldiers on thousands of men, women and children, is one of the most disgusting forms of barbarous behaviour which deserves the utmost condemnation.

So it had nothing to do with eoka firing from a church up on the hill then, you stupid cow.

[DT.]

I have no doubt BirKibrisli felt real fear, as did other TCs (forget the GCs for now) ... but that fear was instigated by the TCs' own propaganda machines ... the TMT.

Sad as that is; there is no doubt the deliberate act of installation of fear, pain and death, systematically and race-specifically carried out by Turkish soldiers on thousands of men, women and children, is one of the most disgusting forms of barbarous behaviour which deserves the utmost condemnation.

So it had nothing to do with eoka firing from a church up on the hill then, you stupid cow.

Well, what where you doing on that hill in the first place?

[Pyrpolizer]

Btw i consider those thoughts that the occupied part of Cyprus will be flooded by millions of settlers as "a fear spreading tactic". We know very well there are about 80-100K settlers right now compared to about 70-80K original TC's. The vast majority of those settlers came because they were given free properties homes and and lands. There are no more free homes properties and lands to give them...The economy cannot absorb any more cheap labourers from Turkey...

What economy? 1/3 of them are civil servants paid by Turkey and the rest of the economy is made up of scraps that were made by selling our properties. As far as I'm conerned the only one doing any work over there is iceman.

THAT economy then.

Which as I witnessed includes carrying cheap construction workers from Turkey, put them living in packs of 70-100 under nylon sheds in the fields, no sanitation whatsoever etc etc. Would that labourer ever become a permanent settlers here and bring his whole family here too?

Don't think so.

[denizaksulu]

Thanks,bulio,for your empathy and compassion for that particular 12 year old and his predicament...Your attitude sums up why we can never live together again as one people one nation...The best we can hope for is some loose federation where people with mentality such as yours cannot hurt each other any longer...


You nd vp dont address the point i was trying to make,and firstly im not a g/c but of mainland greek and secondly what mentality do i have?you at least had a hand grenade what did the women and girls have against the turkish raping?

Answer that you pompous ass before you pass judgment on anyone.

So you are a mainland Greek? I am surprised that you have this mentality....The mentality is the one which makes you extra sensitive to the suffering of your own,but totally indifferent to the suffering of the others....The event I was describing happened sometime between Dec 63 and March 64...There was no Turkish raping of any women and girls at that time...But the bitterness and hatred in your heart towards all things Turkish and Turkish Cypriot makes you totally cold to the predicament of a 12 year old boy who, for some 48 hours, wandered around with a hangrenade in his pocket wondering whether he would have to pull the pin and kill himself, his mother and 3 sisters....And you are calling me pompous??? Thank you for showing your colours,.you are going onto my black list of people I will never respond to again... You dont belong to the human race,my friend...You are below contempt...

Not as dramatic as yours, but it reminds me of the evening of 22/23rd December 1963. Our house was behind the Ledra Palace, near the river, opposite the Central prison (which was visible those days). Ten families had sought refuge in our house - mainly women and children and one neurotic pharmacist. From the roof tops we watched the hundreds of uniformed GCs(dark green boilersuit type) march on the west side of the river northwards towards the Kumsal.

The adult men were all called up to defend the town. I was given a shotgun and a knife (made in Lapithos), manning the staircase in case the Greeks turned into Kosklu Chiftlik from the bridge (next to the old Golf-course). (they went on to Kumsal and then joined in the fighting at the flourmill and police station. I was scared shitless, not knowing whether I would survive the night. I spent hours trying to load and unload the shotgun (two-bore) as fast as possible, and estimating how many I could 'stop' before being killed. We were lucky. Ofcourse a single hand grenade would have finished me off.

It was immediately after that that we saw the bodies of our Armenian neighbours lying in the streets.(allegedly killed as spies)

How sad. I nearly would not have been here on CF .

[Oracle]

Yeah Stella mou but it was his DAD who gave him the Granade... it was not something political coming from the TMT it was a matter of life or death for a whole family.And the poor boy had the trigger in his hand... that's schocking...

Empathy should go without saying in this matter, come on guys.

I thought he said his dad was in the TMT ....

(I find the whole episode abhorrent and despise all those who torture the weak and young. It is the saddest aspect of our primitive instincts ... )

[Pyrpolizer]

Yeah Stella mou but it was his DAD who gave him the Granade... it was not something political coming from the TMT it was a matter of life or death for a whole family.And the poor boy had the trigger in his hand... that's schocking...

Empathy should go without saying in this matter, come on guys.

I thought he said his dad was in the TMT ....

(I find the whole episode abhorrent and despise all those who torture the weak and young. It is the saddest aspect of our primitive instincts ... )

Yes he was, what i meant it was not part of the political maneuver or of the official TMT fear spreading policy. Jeez you don't do such things on purpose to your own family. The fear here was genuine, and it marked Bir's life for ever, empathy is what is needed, no further comments, no comparisons....