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[Murataga]

That is the beginning of our physical separation and it was inflicted by you, the GC side.

Not according to the UN Secretary-General of the time…

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

UN document S/6426

No, not really. All this says is they do not want to come out. How can they when the illagal regime that put them there in the first place is now (at the time the quote was released) controlling the whole of Cyprus via armed thugs institutionalized as the 'national guard'?

[paliometoxo]

it was a well thought plan from the turks they put over a decade into the division of cyprus to force division and pretend they are scared when infact they invaded to protect tcs then destroy anything tc

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Pyrpolizer

For the first part the reasoning is that the leaders will never accept something they know their people won't.

Then I would read and if I thought it was in the best interests of the TCs and you would do the same for the GCs I would have no problem saying yes but at the same token even if my leader did agree a solution that was not in our best interests I would not hesitate to reject it.

About as to why the majority of TCs at this point in time would prefer partition (notice all polls talk for preference not absolute want) there are many reasons including the ones you said. Additional ones are:a) The standard of living increased 2 times in the last 5 years, so economically much less to earn from a solution. b)Too much easy selling of stolen GC properties and easy profit c)They already get most of the EU benefits on personl level...
just to name a few.
In general everybody looks at his own pocket.

Do you know the majority of TCs dont take the above into consideration their main concern is becoming foreigners in their own country under GCs who are hell bent on taking control of the whole island, thats why they are fixated with demanding every safeguard and guarantee that will not allow GCs to do as they wish. IMHO its all about trust and neither side trusts the other at all.

NB. I am rather confused from what you said. So do they want agreed partition or the status quo?

The continuation of the current status quo after yet another failed attempt at finding a solution will push TCs into the getting the world to force the GCs to agree to partition for return of land.

[Get Real!]

That is the beginning of our physical separation and it was inflicted by you, the GC side.

Not according to the UN Secretary-General of the time…

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

UN document S/6426

No, not really. All this says is they do not want to come out. How can they when the illagal regime that put them there in the first place is now (at the time the quote was released) controlling the whole of Cyprus via armed thugs institutionalized as the 'national guard'?

Maybe you should start with basic English lessons before posting on the CF, because the rest of the English speaking world is pretty unanimous on what this means...

"The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

[paliometoxo]

When the majority try to fuck over the minority and they fight back for survival, isnt that what the Kurds are doing right now? You forget you cannot push us to one side you have to take notice of what we want as well, the physical division will remain until something better comes along and from what we have experienced over the past years the talks are going down hill yet again so it reconfirms this problem is unsovable and that the status quo will continue which means we will fight for certain moves to remove some of the isolation on the TRNC. What do you expect us to do? we will never capitulate to becoming a minority in a GC state or be exposed to a diminishing BBF allowing GCs to take total control of both thte north and south states.

your getting your facts mixed up.. it was the turks who arrived in cyprus and killed 20,000 cypriots and took over when gcs had been on the island hundreds of years before the turks. so many gcs also converted to muslim to avoid taxes occupation by the turks then even in the last 30 years the turks attack themselves cause trouble and the gcs protect themselves and dont just sit back and do nothing.

so no it does not gfive turks the right to a separate state from a war they started in the first place and occupation.

either way both sides have to agree to partition so that wont happen .. only in a turks dream does the trnc get recognised

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When the majority try to fuck over the minority and they fight back for survival, isnt that what the Kurds are doing right now? You forget you cannot push us to one side you have to take notice of what we want as well, the physical division will remain until something better comes along and from what we have experienced over the past years the talks are going down hill yet again so it reconfirms this problem is unsovable and that the status quo will continue which means we will fight for certain moves to remove some of the isolation on the TRNC. What do you expect us to do? we will never capitulate to becoming a minority in a GC state or be exposed to a diminishing BBF allowing GCs to take total control of both thte north and south states.

your getting your facts mixed up.. it was the turks who arrived in cyprus and killed 20,000 cypriots and took over when gcs had been on the island hundreds of years before the turks. so many gcs also converted to muslim to avoid taxes occupation by the turks then even in the last 30 years the turks attack themselves cause trouble and the gcs protect themselves and dont just sit back and do nothing.

so no it does not gfive turks the right to a separate state from a war they started in the first place and occupation.

either way both sides have to agree to partition so that wont happen .. only in a turks dream does the trnc get recognised

At what point did we wipe the slate clean? and rule ourselves? you tried to fuck us over and got fucked now you dont like it, then you should have tried to have created a united country instead of wanting to give it away or refuse the TCs their rights.

[Murataga]

That is the beginning of our physical separation and it was inflicted by you, the GC side.

Not according to the UN Secretary-General of the time…

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

UN document S/6426

No, not really. All this says is they do not want to come out. How can they when the illagal regime that put them there in the first place is now (at the time the quote was released) controlling the whole of Cyprus via armed thugs institutionalized as the 'national guard'?

Maybe you should start with basic English lessons before posting on the CF, because the rest of the English speaking world is pretty unanimous on what this means...

"The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

Apparently you need the recommendation more than I do... This is the opinion of the Sec. Gen. after we were in the ghettos and resisting to come out under the authority of an unconstitutional government and the control of an illegally institutionalized group of thugs, the 'national guard'. So I repeat: under such circumstances how could we not segregate ourselves:

when the illegal regime that put us there in the first place is now (at the time the quote was released) controlling the whole of Cyprus via armed thugs institutionalized as the 'national guard'?

[paliometoxo]

you mean you phucked us over then cried like babies and pretended to be the innocent ones

[Get Real!]

That is the beginning of our physical separation and it was inflicted by you, the GC side.

Not according to the UN Secretary-General of the time…

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

UN document S/6426

No, not really. All this says is they do not want to come out. How can they when the illagal regime that put them there in the first place is now (at the time the quote was released) controlling the whole of Cyprus via armed thugs institutionalized as the 'national guard'?

Maybe you should start with basic English lessons before posting on the CF, because the rest of the English speaking world is pretty unanimous on what this means...

"The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

Apparently you need the recommendation more than I do... This is the opinion of the Sec. Gen. after we were in the ghettos and resisting to come out under the authority of an unconstitutional government and the control of an illegally institutionalized group of thugs, the 'national guard'. So I repeat: under such circumstances how could we not segregate ourselves:

when the illegal regime that put us there in the first place is now (at the time the quote was released) controlling the whole of Cyprus via armed thugs institutionalized as the 'national guard'?

Give it up fool… you’ve got no legs to stand on!

[Viewpoint]

you mean you phucked us over then cried like babies and pretended to be the innocent ones

Yes we fucked you over to save ourselves from getting fucked.