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[BirKibrisli]

YFred makes perfect sense to me...It is you ,GR,who is shamelessly trying to intimidate people to not post anything unless it contains a link that you approve...When they do quote links you simply rubbish it and refer people to your own site...

Are you suggesting that I should stop using credible sites for evidence like these...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... eLinks.htm

...and do what you do? ie:

Talk to grandpa!
Talk to the next door neighbor.
Talk to Dentash.
Talk in my sleep!

???

The TCs as individuals and as a community have their own individual and collective wisdom,truths and consiousness...

Yes, we know all about the infamous TC "wisdom"!

And if we ever start to forget, the likes of Y-Fronts are quick to remind us with their "wise" posts!

Yep,I was right,you are not worth bothering with...

Bir, I lived there from 58 and 72. My personal experiences don't count either, I have to provide links to my personal experiences.
We had a church on the hill used by eoka to fire at children in the village and we have people on this forum glorifying eoka and openly saying they would join it. The audacity is that they expect us to be understanding of their stupidity. Go figure the ignorance displayed by educated people on this forum.

YFred...We simply have to be selective from now on who we reply and what we tell these people...There is little point hitting our heads against brick walls...Our heads will come out second best...

[YFred]

YFred makes perfect sense to me...It is you ,GR,who is shamelessly trying to intimidate people to not post anything unless it contains a link that you approve...When they do quote links you simply rubbish it and refer people to your own site...

Are you suggesting that I should stop using credible sites for evidence like these...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... eLinks.htm

...and do what you do? ie:

Talk to grandpa!
Talk to the next door neighbor.
Talk to Dentash.
Talk in my sleep!

???

The TCs as individuals and as a community have their own individual and collective wisdom,truths and consiousness...

Yes, we know all about the infamous TC "wisdom"!

And if we ever start to forget, the likes of Y-Fronts are quick to remind us with their "wise" posts!

Yep,I was right,you are not worth bothering with...

Bir, I lived there from 58 and 72. My personal experiences don't count either, I have to provide links to my personal experiences.
We had a church on the hill used by eoka to fire at children in the village and we have people on this forum glorifying eoka and openly saying they would join it. The audacity is that they expect us to be understanding of their stupidity. Go figure the ignorance displayed by educated people on this forum.

YFred...We simply have to be selective from now on who we reply and what we tell these people...There is little point hitting our heads against brick walls...Our heads will come out second best...

I agree. I will practice that from now on.

[BirKibrisli]

Reh GRui MIarui, kindly stop upsetting our TCzaruis. Gadalaves?

Sorry don't understand

Sorry it was far GR and he understands it perfectly.

He is like a pussycat upsetting all the TCs. I simply asked him in Lurucina language to stop it.

Nobody understands your gypsy talk and nobody wants to read your 2-cent junk posts.

YFred makes perfect sense to me...It is you ,GR,who is shamelessly trying to intimidate people to not post anything unless it contains a link that you approve...When they do quote links you simply rubbish it and refer people to your own site...

You might be simple minded enough to believe that unless something can be located on the internet it is not valid or real...
The TCs as individuals and as a community have their own individual and collective wisdom,truths and consiousness...And we will only laugh at your "credible link" antics...

Today I visited an old cousin who immigrated to Australia in 1951...I discovered something I didnt know about him...He was sponsored to come to Australia by 2 brothers who were his best mates when he worked at the Agricultural department offices in Morphou between 1943 and 49...
They shared their house with him in Sydney and helped him find work with
their own employer,a cafe/milkbar owner...Guess what? My cousin's mates and their employers were all Greek Cypriots...I asked my cousin who had the better jobs at his workplaces in Cyprus...He said it was the GCs...They were better educated and more in numbers...I asked did the British favour one side over the other? He said definitely not...I said was there animosity between the GCs and TCs when you were in Cyprus,he said non what so ever...I asked why did we then have all those troubles afterwards...He said 3 words : EOKA and ENOSIS...

I know elsewhere I said you are not worth replying to,but I thought I would share this with you...From the mind and the heart of an old TC who left Cyprus in 1951 and only returned twice for a holiday...Someone who has nothing to do with "exchange land " in the trnc...Make of it what you will...

But, he had left before EOKA was formed ...

That is the whole point,Oracle...You missed it completely...This 90 year old man who only knows of the good times with his GC mates,who had left Cyprus in 1951 believes the "troubles" were brought about by the EOKA and the demand for Enosis...That is his belief,his truth,his explanation...Go figure...

[BirKibrisli]

YFred makes perfect sense to me...It is you ,GR,who is shamelessly trying to intimidate people to not post anything unless it contains a link that you approve...When they do quote links you simply rubbish it and refer people to your own site...

Are you suggesting that I should stop using credible sites for evidence like these...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... eLinks.htm

...and do what you do? ie:

Talk to grandpa!
Talk to the next door neighbor.
Talk to Dentash.
Talk in my sleep!

???

The TCs as individuals and as a community have their own individual and collective wisdom,truths and consiousness...

Yes, we know all about the infamous TC "wisdom"!

And if we ever start to forget, the likes of Y-Fronts are quick to remind us with their "wise" posts!

Yep,I was right,you are not worth bothering with...

Bir, I lived there from 58 and 72. My personal experiences don't count either, I have to provide links to my personal experiences.
We had a church on the hill used by eoka to fire at children in the village and we have people on this forum glorifying eoka and openly saying they would join it. The audacity is that they expect us to be understanding of their stupidity. Go figure the ignorance displayed by educated people on this forum.

YFred...We simply have to be selective from now on who we reply and what we tell these people...There is little point hitting our heads against brick walls...Our heads will come out second best...

I agree. I will practice that from now on.

I have just send probably my last post to Oracle...It will be a very are occassion for her and her likes to get another post from me...They have to work hard to deserve it...

[Get Real!]

I have just send probably my last post to Oracle...It will be a very are occassion for her and her likes to get another post from me...They have to work hard to deserve it...

We’re all tired of hearing that it’s your last this and your last that all the time… why don’t you just have your last supper and croak?

[YFred]

I have just send probably my last post to Oracle...It will be a very are occassion for her and her likes to get another post from me...They have to work hard to deserve it...

We’re all tired of hearing that it’s your last this and your last that all the time… why don’t you just have your last supper and croak?

Hosht vromo shilla

[BirKibrisli]

I have just send probably my last post to Oracle...It will be a very are occassion for her and her likes to get another post from me...They have to work hard to deserve it...

We’re all tired of hearing that it’s your last this and your last that all the time… why don’t you just have your last supper and croak?

Hosht vromo shilla

I know it is not easy,but you have to be more resolute than that,YFred...

[Oracle]

Reh GRui MIarui, kindly stop upsetting our TCzaruis. Gadalaves?

Sorry don't understand

Sorry it was far GR and he understands it perfectly.

He is like a pussycat upsetting all the TCs. I simply asked him in Lurucina language to stop it.

Nobody understands your gypsy talk and nobody wants to read your 2-cent junk posts.

YFred makes perfect sense to me...It is you ,GR,who is shamelessly trying to intimidate people to not post anything unless it contains a link that you approve...When they do quote links you simply rubbish it and refer people to your own site...

You might be simple minded enough to believe that unless something can be located on the internet it is not valid or real...
The TCs as individuals and as a community have their own individual and collective wisdom,truths and consiousness...And we will only laugh at your "credible link" antics...

Today I visited an old cousin who immigrated to Australia in 1951...I discovered something I didnt know about him...He was sponsored to come to Australia by 2 brothers who were his best mates when he worked at the Agricultural department offices in Morphou between 1943 and 49...
They shared their house with him in Sydney and helped him find work with
their own employer,a cafe/milkbar owner...Guess what? My cousin's mates and their employers were all Greek Cypriots...I asked my cousin who had the better jobs at his workplaces in Cyprus...He said it was the GCs...They were better educated and more in numbers...I asked did the British favour one side over the other? He said definitely not...I said was there animosity between the GCs and TCs when you were in Cyprus,he said non what so ever...I asked why did we then have all those troubles afterwards...He said 3 words : EOKA and ENOSIS...

I know elsewhere I said you are not worth replying to,but I thought I would share this with you...From the mind and the heart of an old TC who left Cyprus in 1951 and only returned twice for a holiday...Someone who has nothing to do with "exchange land " in the trnc...Make of it what you will...

But, he had left before EOKA was formed ...

That is the whole point,Oracle...You missed it completely...This 90 year old man who only knows of the good times with his GC mates,who had left Cyprus in 1951 believes the "troubles" were brought about by the EOKA and the demand for Enosis...That is his belief,his truth,his explanation...Go figure...

He can blame all he wants. He wasn't even in Cyprus at the time of EOKA. He obviously left Cyprus for other reasons. ... So, why don't you "Go figure" why your third hand "news" is irrelevant to the integrity and workings of EOKA.

Oh, and stop flattering yourself that we hang onto your every reply. Your righteous indignation at our questioning your "word" is tiresome.

[DTA]

DTA, I am truely sorry for your losses family wise, but we too have suffered even greater losses than you. It doesn't make it right, but we didn't get away with it scot free. I didn't see you condemn your people in your post, but you sought only for us to recognise your suffering!

If you left Cyp prior to '74, you can claim your land without any 6 month rule. Can we claim ours???

The RoC does represent all Cypriots, come and join us. How can we represent you is a pseudo state??

Our missing amount to 1676, yours to about 400 (relatively), whos is losing the most, YOU tell us where ours are.

Propoganda, os the same both sides.

Racisism, well, why arn't you on the pentadaktylos mounting removing your giant graffiti, and you moan about ours??

You see, you are not squeaky clean are you, yet you come here playing the victim, AGAIN!.

Have I answered your questions???

Firstly Thank you for saying sorry, and I too am sorry if you personally have lost as well (and that is sincere). To be honest it is my dad and his siblings that it has affected much more than me as I was born after.

As for answering my questions, no you haven't you just point out that the TRNC has done the same/ or in your opinion worse. That is really not the point, the TRNC does not represent Greek cypriots as well and never intends to - BUT the ROC does (or at least is supposed to) represent Turkish cypriots as well so please can you answer the questions in isolation please not in relation to TRNC unless you are willing to accept the TRNC as a legal entity?

anyone else please feel free to answer my questions

[DTA]

...is the ROC the same in its legal entity as the one founded in 1960 if so should you not still abide by the constitution of 1960?

We always abide by it but are you up to date with the last 35 year’s of changes?

Im not an expert on this changes can you enlighten me please and tell me if these 'changes' are legal according to the 1960 constitution (because I thought the Turkish cypriot VP had a vito)

If not shouldn’t a new constitution and a new state be formed, a state that would need to gain international recognition?

The RoC has always had international recognition so I'm not sure what you're on about...

Im saying that if the ROC does not abide by its founding constitution, does it not mean that it is not the same entity that it was in its foundation?

For those of you claim that enosis was your legal right as the majority of the Island, what happened to the Turks of Crete when enosis was achieved?

I for one don't support Enosis and neither do I think it was anyone’s “legal right” but at the same time I hardly think it’s an excuse for the TC enosis with Turkey!

Im glad that you dont think Enosis was a legal right

Except Nico Samson said that if he achieved enosis he would have wiped the Turks from the Island…. And what stopped Nico Samson?….. Yep that’s right Turkey’s intervention.

I hardly think "what Nico said" would ever stand in a court of law as evidence for anything. And not to mention that GCs could also start with “What Denktash said!”

If you dont include what samson said then you can not count on anything that anyone has said. It is valid because a) he said it b) if turkey didnt come in he would have been in a possition to implement

Could you please give me a primary link to the Denktash quote I have heard about but I have never ever seen a primary link... Im not saying he didnt say it I would just like to the primary link please (I assume you are talking about the Car bomb starting the so called intercommunal violence

An intervention that even an Athens court deemed as legal… now argue against it.

Incorrect. This is just a TC myth.

If this is the case, I am sorry I didnt realise, was there never a court case? could you provide me with a primary link please

As I also understand it isn’t there a clause in the 1960 Constitution that says that Cyprus can never be joined to another country (enosis), divided (takism) or join a union that both Cyprus and Turkey are not part of?

The UN used international legal experts to assess the situation and all four gave the thumbs up in their report. I've got that document somewhere.

How did they get around that part of what I assume is the entact 1960 constitution?

What does that mean guys? Well it means that your claims of enosis as your legal right… is in fact illegal… and guess what your entry to the EU is also illegal… unless I have misunderstood something?

I agree with your first notion but not the second.

OH but wait… wait the 1960 constitution was unfair…. Well you should not have signed it should you. If I agree a contract with a business partner, then later on down the line decide this contract is unfair I either have to challenge it through courts of law…

The 59 agreements were abandoned by your leaders, declared null & void, and further violated with the creation of the "TRNC" so I hardly think you're in a position to regard yourselves "partners" of it!

(but you threw out the judge) or try to renegotiate the contract, what I cant do is go around intimidating and trying to kill my partner because…. That would be ….. ILLIGAL

That's exactly what Makarios did with his 13 point proposal but the TCs spat the dummy.

You miss the point completely Makarios didnt negociate or try to do it in a legal way he made these changes illigally and when he knew the CYPRIOT court of law would overturn these changes, he said that he would ignore the ruling.... that sounds quite illigal to me

This is something that I posted on another thread but my questions remains unanswered.

Not anymore.