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Postby Oracle » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:16 pm

I don't think the international community will care if they are TCs or Turks.

Most Cypriots have trouble remembering that the TCs were once a vibrant, real part of Cyprus-proper. How will the general population distinguish between these two (Turks & TCs) virtually indiscernible "groups" of people now? Turkey knows this; and slowly, as it does away with the TC nomenclature and replaces it with "Turks" or "Turks of Cyprus", then there will be nothing to stop the original settlers claiming equality! They are crying for it now, via Soyer!

We need to highlight this crime more, before it achieves momentum as normality.

(All brought on by the TCs I may add ... before Birkibrisli pipes in with his "It's all the fault of the unsympathetic GCs" eulogy .... :roll: )
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:15 am

Oracle wrote:I don't think the international community will care if they are TCs or Turks.

Most Cypriots have trouble remembering that the TCs were once a vibrant, real part of Cyprus-proper. How will the general population distinguish between these two (Turks & TCs) virtually indiscernible "groups" of people now? Turkey knows this; and slowly, as it does away with the TC nomenclature and replaces it with "Turks" or "Turks of Cyprus", then there will be nothing to stop the original settlers claiming equality! They are crying for it now, via Soyer!

We need to highlight this crime more, before it achieves momentum as normality.

(All brought on by the TCs I may add ... before Birkibrisli pipes in with his "It's all the fault of the unsympathetic GCs" eulogy .... :roll: )


Sure,Oracle....Everything that ever happened in this problem has been the fault of the TCs...They are guilty as hell and they are now paying the ultimate price for it...Loss of identity by ethnic genocide...Enjoy dealing with Turkey and the "New" TCs...all one million of them... :roll:
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:50 am

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Oracle wrote:I don't think the international community will care if they are TCs or Turks.

Most Cypriots have trouble remembering that the TCs were once a vibrant, real part of Cyprus-proper. How will the general population distinguish between these two (Turks & TCs) virtually indiscernible "groups" of people now? Turkey knows this; and slowly, as it does away with the TC nomenclature and replaces it with "Turks" or "Turks of Cyprus", then there will be nothing to stop the original settlers claiming equality! They are crying for it now, via Soyer!

We need to highlight this crime more, before it achieves momentum as normality.

(All brought on by the TCs I may add ... before Birkibrisli pipes in with his "It's all the fault of the unsympathetic GCs" eulogy .... :roll: )


Sure,Oracle....Everything that ever happened in this problem has been the fault of the TCs...They are guilty as hell and they are now paying the ultimate price for it...Loss of identity by ethnic genocide...Enjoy dealing with Turkey and the "New" TCs...all one million of them... :roll:


I didn't say everything, but indisputably, this present situation culminating in the "extinction" of TCs by their own brothers... the Turks, is something that is between yourselves. Why should we intervene and risk getting more bloodshed for our racially segregated people? We have to find a way to restore Cyprus and allow our own people to go home, as well as remove the troops. That is a tall order. Invariably our course would help the TCs, but I for one have not seen real signs of the TCs assisting us in this endeavour.

So, I don't think we should be sidetracked by a "civil" matter between Turkish groups, actually!

Besides if the Turks are destroying the TCs; "ethnic genocide" you say ..... I think we need a new term, since you are one and the same ethnicity with the Turks.

Do you really think Turkey segregates you into a separate "ethnicity" and sets out to "genocide" you ... in which case, if that is what you suspect, why don't you take her to a Human Rights Court?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:05 pm

Oracle wrote:
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Oracle wrote:I don't think the international community will care if they are TCs or Turks.

Most Cypriots have trouble remembering that the TCs were once a vibrant, real part of Cyprus-proper. How will the general population distinguish between these two (Turks & TCs) virtually indiscernible "groups" of people now? Turkey knows this; and slowly, as it does away with the TC nomenclature and replaces it with "Turks" or "Turks of Cyprus", then there will be nothing to stop the original settlers claiming equality! They are crying for it now, via Soyer!

We need to highlight this crime more, before it achieves momentum as normality.

(All brought on by the TCs I may add ... before Birkibrisli pipes in with his "It's all the fault of the unsympathetic GCs" eulogy .... :roll: )


Sure,Oracle....Everything that ever happened in this problem has been the fault of the TCs...They are guilty as hell and they are now paying the ultimate price for it...Loss of identity by ethnic genocide...Enjoy dealing with Turkey and the "New" TCs...all one million of them... :roll:


I didn't say everything, but indisputably, this present situation culminating in the "extinction" of TCs by their own brothers... the Turks, is something that is between yourselves. Why should we intervene and risk getting more bloodshed for our racially segregated people? We have to find a way to restore Cyprus and allow our own people to go home, as well as remove the troops. That is a tall order. Invariably our course would help the TCs, but I for one have not seen real signs of the TCs assisting us in this endeavour.

So, I don't think we should be sidetracked by a "civil" matter between Turkish groups, actually!

Besides if the Turks are destroying the TCs; "ethnic genocide" you say ..... I think we need a new term, since you are one and the same ethnicity with the Turks.

Do you really think Turkey segregates you into a separate "ethnicity" and sets out to "genocide" you ... in which case, if that is what you suspect, why don't you take her to a Human Rights Court?


You are right,Oracle...We need a new term to describe what is happening to the TCs in Cyprus...Ethnic genocide won't do...
What about "Nefarious,villainous,wanton persecution"????????
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:28 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:I don't think the international community will care if they are TCs or Turks.

Most Cypriots have trouble remembering that the TCs were once a vibrant, real part of Cyprus-proper. How will the general population distinguish between these two (Turks & TCs) virtually indiscernible "groups" of people now? Turkey knows this; and slowly, as it does away with the TC nomenclature and replaces it with "Turks" or "Turks of Cyprus", then there will be nothing to stop the original settlers claiming equality! They are crying for it now, via Soyer!

We need to highlight this crime more, before it achieves momentum as normality.

(All brought on by the TCs I may add ... before Birkibrisli pipes in with his "It's all the fault of the unsympathetic GCs" eulogy .... :roll: )


Sure,Oracle....Everything that ever happened in this problem has been the fault of the TCs...They are guilty as hell and they are now paying the ultimate price for it...Loss of identity by ethnic genocide...Enjoy dealing with Turkey and the "New" TCs...all one million of them... :roll:


I didn't say everything, but indisputably, this present situation culminating in the "extinction" of TCs by their own brothers... the Turks, is something that is between yourselves. Why should we intervene and risk getting more bloodshed for our racially segregated people? We have to find a way to restore Cyprus and allow our own people to go home, as well as remove the troops. That is a tall order. Invariably our course would help the TCs, but I for one have not seen real signs of the TCs assisting us in this endeavour.

So, I don't think we should be sidetracked by a "civil" matter between Turkish groups, actually!

Besides if the Turks are destroying the TCs; "ethnic genocide" you say ..... I think we need a new term, since you are one and the same ethnicity with the Turks.

Do you really think Turkey segregates you into a separate "ethnicity" and sets out to "genocide" you ... in which case, if that is what you suspect, why don't you take her to a Human Rights Court?


You are right,Oracle...We need a new term to describe what is happening to the TCs in Cyprus...Ethnic genocide won't do...
What about "Nefarious,villainous,wanton persecution"????????


So long as you are not now diluting "ethnic genocide" to avoid incarcerating the Turks with those "lesser" charges :wink:

But in the search for a more appropriate description, may I suggest the term Apoptosis ....

A Biological term (hence appropriate) describing leaf fall (TCs) from trees, essential for survival of the tree (Turkey). It is also now used for programmed cell death. Signals are sent to cells that no longer serve a useful function and need to commit suicide to preserve the body. Used as a way to prevent cancerous growths or arrest over-development in an unwanted direction. Can also be applied to the scab on a wound, which is discarded once the job is done!

Yup ... Turkey is committing Apoptosis on the TC population ....

Agreed?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:39 pm

Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:I don't think the international community will care if they are TCs or Turks.

Most Cypriots have trouble remembering that the TCs were once a vibrant, real part of Cyprus-proper. How will the general population distinguish between these two (Turks & TCs) virtually indiscernible "groups" of people now? Turkey knows this; and slowly, as it does away with the TC nomenclature and replaces it with "Turks" or "Turks of Cyprus", then there will be nothing to stop the original settlers claiming equality! They are crying for it now, via Soyer!

We need to highlight this crime more, before it achieves momentum as normality.

(All brought on by the TCs I may add ... before Birkibrisli pipes in with his "It's all the fault of the unsympathetic GCs" eulogy .... :roll: )


Sure,Oracle....Everything that ever happened in this problem has been the fault of the TCs...They are guilty as hell and they are now paying the ultimate price for it...Loss of identity by ethnic genocide...Enjoy dealing with Turkey and the "New" TCs...all one million of them... :roll:


I didn't say everything, but indisputably, this present situation culminating in the "extinction" of TCs by their own brothers... the Turks, is something that is between yourselves. Why should we intervene and risk getting more bloodshed for our racially segregated people? We have to find a way to restore Cyprus and allow our own people to go home, as well as remove the troops. That is a tall order. Invariably our course would help the TCs, but I for one have not seen real signs of the TCs assisting us in this endeavour.

So, I don't think we should be sidetracked by a "civil" matter between Turkish groups, actually!

Besides if the Turks are destroying the TCs; "ethnic genocide" you say ..... I think we need a new term, since you are one and the same ethnicity with the Turks.

Do you really think Turkey segregates you into a separate "ethnicity" and sets out to "genocide" you ... in which case, if that is what you suspect, why don't you take her to a Human Rights Court?


You are right,Oracle...We need a new term to describe what is happening to the TCs in Cyprus...Ethnic genocide won't do...
What about "Nefarious,villainous,wanton persecution"????????


So long as you are not now diluting "ethnic genocide" to avoid incarcerating the Turks with those "lesser" charges :wink:

But in the search for a more appropriate description, may I suggest the term Apoptosis ....

A Biological term (hence appropriate) describing leaf fall (TCs) from trees, essential for survival of the tree (Turkey). It is also now used for programmed cell death. Signals are sent to cells that no longer serve a useful function and need to commit suicide to preserve the body. Used as a way to prevent cancerous growths or arrest over-development in an unwanted direction. Can also be applied to the scab on a wound, which drops off (according to Galen).

Yup ... Turkey is committing Apoptosis on the TC population ....

Agreed?


Falling away???? Perhaps not...

You might be committing apostasy on the TCs though... :wink:
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:05 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:I don't think the international community will care if they are TCs or Turks.

Most Cypriots have trouble remembering that the TCs were once a vibrant, real part of Cyprus-proper. How will the general population distinguish between these two (Turks & TCs) virtually indiscernible "groups" of people now? Turkey knows this; and slowly, as it does away with the TC nomenclature and replaces it with "Turks" or "Turks of Cyprus", then there will be nothing to stop the original settlers claiming equality! They are crying for it now, via Soyer!

We need to highlight this crime more, before it achieves momentum as normality.

(All brought on by the TCs I may add ... before Birkibrisli pipes in with his "It's all the fault of the unsympathetic GCs" eulogy .... :roll: )


Sure,Oracle....Everything that ever happened in this problem has been the fault of the TCs...They are guilty as hell and they are now paying the ultimate price for it...Loss of identity by ethnic genocide...Enjoy dealing with Turkey and the "New" TCs...all one million of them... :roll:


I didn't say everything, but indisputably, this present situation culminating in the "extinction" of TCs by their own brothers... the Turks, is something that is between yourselves. Why should we intervene and risk getting more bloodshed for our racially segregated people? We have to find a way to restore Cyprus and allow our own people to go home, as well as remove the troops. That is a tall order. Invariably our course would help the TCs, but I for one have not seen real signs of the TCs assisting us in this endeavour.

So, I don't think we should be sidetracked by a "civil" matter between Turkish groups, actually!

Besides if the Turks are destroying the TCs; "ethnic genocide" you say ..... I think we need a new term, since you are one and the same ethnicity with the Turks.

Do you really think Turkey segregates you into a separate "ethnicity" and sets out to "genocide" you ... in which case, if that is what you suspect, why don't you take her to a Human Rights Court?


You are right,Oracle...We need a new term to describe what is happening to the TCs in Cyprus...Ethnic genocide won't do...
What about "Nefarious,villainous,wanton persecution"????????


So long as you are not now diluting "ethnic genocide" to avoid incarcerating the Turks with those "lesser" charges :wink:

But in the search for a more appropriate description, may I suggest the term Apoptosis ....

A Biological term (hence appropriate) describing leaf fall (TCs) from trees, essential for survival of the tree (Turkey). It is also now used for programmed cell death. Signals are sent to cells that no longer serve a useful function and need to commit suicide to preserve the body. Used as a way to prevent cancerous growths or arrest over-development in an unwanted direction. Can also be applied to the scab on a wound, which drops off (according to Galen).

Yup ... Turkey is committing Apoptosis on the TC population ....

Agreed?


Falling away???? Perhaps not...

You might be committing apostasy on the TCs though... :wink:


Apostasies was self inflicted when the TCs turned their back on Cyprus in 74. :wink: They need to take responsibility for their actions.

Perhaps a resistance movement is more apt, and will in the end earn you a lot more respect from the GCs as opposed to grovelling and eulogising your demise, in order to excuse Turkey's crimes.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:24 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:I don't think the international community will care if they are TCs or Turks.

Most Cypriots have trouble remembering that the TCs were once a vibrant, real part of Cyprus-proper. How will the general population distinguish between these two (Turks & TCs) virtually indiscernible "groups" of people now? Turkey knows this; and slowly, as it does away with the TC nomenclature and replaces it with "Turks" or "Turks of Cyprus", then there will be nothing to stop the original settlers claiming equality! They are crying for it now, via Soyer!

We need to highlight this crime more, before it achieves momentum as normality.

(All brought on by the TCs I may add ... before Birkibrisli pipes in with his "It's all the fault of the unsympathetic GCs" eulogy .... :roll: )


Sure,Oracle....Everything that ever happened in this problem has been the fault of the TCs...They are guilty as hell and they are now paying the ultimate price for it...Loss of identity by ethnic genocide...Enjoy dealing with Turkey and the "New" TCs...all one million of them... :roll:


I didn't say everything, but indisputably, this present situation culminating in the "extinction" of TCs by their own brothers... the Turks, is something that is between yourselves. Why should we intervene and risk getting more bloodshed for our racially segregated people? We have to find a way to restore Cyprus and allow our own people to go home, as well as remove the troops. That is a tall order. Invariably our course would help the TCs, but I for one have not seen real signs of the TCs assisting us in this endeavour.

So, I don't think we should be sidetracked by a "civil" matter between Turkish groups, actually!

Besides if the Turks are destroying the TCs; "ethnic genocide" you say ..... I think we need a new term, since you are one and the same ethnicity with the Turks.

Do you really think Turkey segregates you into a separate "ethnicity" and sets out to "genocide" you ... in which case, if that is what you suspect, why don't you take her to a Human Rights Court?


You are right,Oracle...We need a new term to describe what is happening to the TCs in Cyprus...Ethnic genocide won't do...
What about "Nefarious,villainous,wanton persecution"????????


So long as you are not now diluting "ethnic genocide" to avoid incarcerating the Turks with those "lesser" charges :wink:

But in the search for a more appropriate description, may I suggest the term Apoptosis ....

A Biological term (hence appropriate) describing leaf fall (TCs) from trees, essential for survival of the tree (Turkey). It is also now used for programmed cell death. Signals are sent to cells that no longer serve a useful function and need to commit suicide to preserve the body. Used as a way to prevent cancerous growths or arrest over-development in an unwanted direction. Can also be applied to the scab on a wound, which drops off (according to Galen).

Yup ... Turkey is committing Apoptosis on the TC population ....

Agreed?


Falling away???? Perhaps not...

You might be committing apostasy on the TCs though... :wink:


What nonsense Bir.... How do we interfere with the TCs' religious practices? Is that what is bugging them? (Or just your diversionary rule of thumb :wink: )

But I sense a U-turn as you now do not seem to want to associate Turkey with the demise of the TCs ......

Just when I found the perfect word to describe the TC-suicide imposed by the presence of their brothers ..... apoptosis!
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Postby Kifeas » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:56 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:I don't think the international community will care if they are TCs or Turks.

Most Cypriots have trouble remembering that the TCs were once a vibrant, real part of Cyprus-proper. How will the general population distinguish between these two (Turks & TCs) virtually indiscernible "groups" of people now? Turkey knows this; and slowly, as it does away with the TC nomenclature and replaces it with "Turks" or "Turks of Cyprus", then there will be nothing to stop the original settlers claiming equality! They are crying for it now, via Soyer!

We need to highlight this crime more, before it achieves momentum as normality.

(All brought on by the TCs I may add ... before Birkibrisli pipes in with his "It's all the fault of the unsympathetic GCs" eulogy .... :roll: )


Sure,Oracle....Everything that ever happened in this problem has been the fault of the TCs...They are guilty as hell and they are now paying the ultimate price for it...Loss of identity by ethnic genocide...Enjoy dealing with Turkey and the "New" TCs...all one million of them... :roll:


Bother, instead of wasting your time having meaningless and dead-end dialogues with someone like Oracle (or me with someone like VP on the same level,) on the issue of future of the TC community, direct your efforts in talking towards your fellow TCs, because there is very little anyway the GCs can do in this direction.

There is very little the GCs can do, when you have an ELECTED LEADER who says the things he does. How can the TCs expect any help from the GCs, when Talat claims to have said the following to Christofias, in their meeting in Nicosia?

Under the title The Greek Cypriots do not want two separate peoples, Turkish Cypriot daily Halkin Sesi newspaper (03.12.08 ) reports that the Turkish Cypriot leader, Mehmet Ali Talat met yesterday again with President Christofias within the framework of the full-fledged negotiations for reaching a solution to the Cyprus problem. The paper notes that the Turkish Cypriot side did not accept the arguments set forward by President Christofias.

In statements at his office after the negotiations, Mr. Talat said that the Greek Cypriot side does not accept the existence of two peoples on the island because it is afraid of the separation. Mr. Talat added that the Greek Cypriots say that only one people exist in Cyprus because they are afraid of the peoples self-determination right and therefore they reject the discussion of the scientific aspect of the issue. He noted that there was no tension during the meeting yesterday and added that the Greek Cypriot side put forward its arguments and they discussed them.

Mr. Talat reiterated his view that there are two peoples in Cyprus and that he asked from President Christofias to tell him the language, religion and cultural structure of this people, if there is only one people in Cyprus. He said that he told President Christofias the following: Since there is only one people describe two things which it likes and two things it hates.

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/200 ... pr.html#01

If your community elected as its leader, someone subscribing to the above ideology, it means that it also subscribes to the same above ideology. In which case, I wonder why all these thousands of TCs -the vast majority I should add, have applied and obtained the RoC passports or IDs, and why do they cross south every day for all the known reasons they do.
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Postby DT. » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:15 pm

The latest crackpot idea put foward by Talat (Katsourides mentioned it yesturday in a press conference) is... you're gonna love this...

2 Separate FIR's over Cyprus! :lol: :lol:
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