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[Kifeas]

Probably Christofias was executing plans drawn up by the previous government. Any sane government would avoid anything that could be considered provocative since we cannot show consistency with our actions.

Turkey has not signed the treety for the seas and she feels that she is not bound by an international agreement she did not sign. These problems will haunt us for ever as long as the Cyprob remains unsolved. What is the benefit of starting something which we cannot see it through? We only manage to ridicule ourself when we put our tail between our legs and run away.

More nonsense Bananiot! Anything we do Turkey will consider provocative and try to stop it, especially if it realizes or we show we have no guts, as you suggest. In your logic, we would have been paralyzed by now, out of fear that Turkey will consider any of our action as provocative. Your theory of walking around with our pants lowered down to our knees, so as not to “provoke” Turkey, is not subscribed by anyone serious citizen of this country!

[halil]

EU wants Turkish hub for Azeri gas

http://www.neurope.eu/articles/90516.php

Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline as an example of a successful project, and to the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum gas transit pipeline project as an inspiration for the bilateral energy cooperation. Both projects cross Georgia leading to Turkey, making the Muslim country an important hub for Caspian hydrocarbons to Europe. Turkey would also be an active player in the planned Southern Gas Corridor, namely the Nabucco project the pipeline whose supporters hope will one day bring 30 billion cubic metres of Caspian gas a year to an Austrian hub via Georgia, Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary and ITGI, which is one day hoped to carry 12 billion cubic metres of Caspian gas a year via Turkey and Greece to Italy.

Nabucco tour originally included Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Georgia, still visited Ankara and Baku, despite time constraints. “These were the obvious choices because Turkey is going to be the main transit country and Azerbaijan is the country which is going to provide the first gas,” Ferran Tarradellas Espuny, spokesman for Piebalgs, told New Europe.


,” Ron Smith, chief strategist at Moscow’s Alfa Bank, told New Europe, adding that “Turks politically are a pretty reliable country.” One of the few options for transporting gas to southern Europe is either through Turkey or running it along the bottom of the Black Sea. .................................................................................. ........


be carefull , when you are talking about petrol or oil ....... do not ignor the facts and benefits of the others ......

[DT.]

EU wants Turkish hub for Azeri gas

http://www.neurope.eu/articles/90516.php

Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline as an example of a successful project, and to the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum gas transit pipeline project as an inspiration for the bilateral energy cooperation. Both projects cross Georgia leading to Turkey, making the Muslim country an important hub for Caspian hydrocarbons to Europe. Turkey would also be an active player in the planned Southern Gas Corridor, namely the Nabucco project the pipeline whose supporters hope will one day bring 30 billion cubic metres of Caspian gas a year to an Austrian hub via Georgia, Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary and ITGI, which is one day hoped to carry 12 billion cubic metres of Caspian gas a year via Turkey and Greece to Italy.

Nabucco tour originally included Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Georgia, still visited Ankara and Baku, despite time constraints. “These were the obvious choices because Turkey is going to be the main transit country and Azerbaijan is the country which is going to provide the first gas,” Ferran Tarradellas Espuny, spokesman for Piebalgs, told New Europe.


,” Ron Smith, chief strategist at Moscow’s Alfa Bank, told New Europe, adding that “Turks politically are a pretty reliable country.” One of the few options for transporting gas to southern Europe is either through Turkey or running it along the bottom of the Black Sea. .................................................................................. ........


be carefull , when you are talking about petrol or oil ....... do not ignor the facts and benefits of the others ......

What does Turkey have to do with the oil and gas on the southern coast of Cyprus Halil?

[Nikitas]

Bananiot said:

"Turkey has not signed the treety for the seas and she feels that she is not bound by an international agreement she did not sign."

Some conventions, such as the Law of the Sea conventions, are signed and put into effect by so many nations that they become primary sources of international law.

Along with conventions the sources of international law are the UN charter, specific agreements and the customs and usage of civilised nations.

Turkey accepts the above and applies the Law of the Sea to its northern coast and to lesser degree to its southern coast. In effect Turkey is law abiding when dealing with parties able to give it a kick in the ass, ie Russia and Israel.

The day will come when exploration on Cyprus' EEZ will be done by US registered ships and then we will see how far the bravado of the bimbachis will go.

This theory of provocation is unique to Bananiot and some mainland Greek neo leftist pinko liberals like Iraklidis who take great pleasure in being super critical against any expression of nationalism by our side, but are willing to accept the most extreme nationalism of Turks. What is it with you guys?

Last week I heard some assholes on the radio say that it does not matter who occupies northern Cyprus as long as they apply ecologically sound management. Which harks back to the junta days when they preferred Turkish occupation (as in double union) to a government in which Cypriot communists had the upper hand.

[Bananiot]

Now its the Americans? The murderers of people? I thought the Russians or the French were our first priority?

[Nikitas]

Noble, an oil exploration company based in Texas, has signed a contract to search for oil. When there are Russian and/or French companies I will let you know.

But in the observations above the only comment you make is that?

[Tim Drayton]

Noble, an oil exploration company based in Texas, has signed a contract to search for oil. When there are Russian and/or French companies I will let you know.

But in the observations above the only comment you make is that?

Perhaps you have better knowledge of these matters than I do, but I thought that in the case of oil and natural gas fields that are shared by more than one country, you really only need to pump it out in one place. The oil or gas that is lying on the other side of the political boundary just obeys the laws of physics, rather than international law, and flows on through. Isn't it a hrahs reality that a large international oil company can exploit the whole field from, say, Egypt without Cyprus gaining a penny. This may account for the spectacular lack of interest by the majors in bidding for offshore plots around Cyprus. They would prefer to get at the stuff from a more stable location.

[Bananiot]

Here is another interesting map:



You can see from the map that there is an overlap in plots 4, 5 and 6 and thus parts of these plots are also contested by Turkey (red line) because according to the Law of the Sea Convention, continental states have an EEZ that extends to 200 nautical miles from their shores. The same is true for inhabited islands. Turkey also says that the "TRNC" has claims on plot 3.

True the Texan based, Jewish interests "Noble Energy Ltd" expressed interest for only one plot, that is, plot 12, which is facing Israel and Turkey will not contest it. This company is lookng for hydrocarbons in the Israeli seas and plot 12 may be useful to them in the event they find considerable amounts of hydrocarbons.

In January 2007 we asked companies to express interest in our plots. Besides the afore mentioned company, nobody else responded. Our friends the Russians, the French and the Chinese shyed away. There are political reasons for this and even a toddler could have predicted their indiference. Turkey intervened (looking after her own interests) to pass on the message to both Russia and France to stay away. Not surprising, they did.

No serious company will get involved in business dealings at this moment when Turkey is an important player in the area and a dynamic energy factor in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Understanding the above will not hurt us. It will only make us become more wise in our actions and furthermore make us realise how important solution to the Cyprob is.

Nikitas, when you look at matters with a legalistic perspective and completely ignore the political aspect, you will be the laughing stock of eveybody. If you love Cyprus you should be looking critically at all decisions that can effect this island which for so many years now does not have the leaders that can make it a serious state but it has only populist leaders and politicians that are only interested in making useless, dangerous but palatable gestures which get the loud applaude of the unbeatable nationalists.

[DT.]

Here is another interesting map:



You can see from the map that there is an overlap in plots 4, 5 and 6 and thus parts of these plots are also contested by Turkey (red line) because according to the Law of the Sea Convention, continental states have an EEZ that extends to 200 nautical miles from their shores. The same is true for inhabited islands. Turkey also says that the "TRNC" has claims on plot 3.

Explain to me why turkey has plots a few miles of akamas and the difference is not split down the middle?

[Bananiot]

Probably because Cyprus is only 40 nautical miles away from Turkey. DT, I think you too should look at the political repercussions rather than dwell on the legalities. The Turks are not stupid Franks, they can defend their stance, despite all we say.

P.S. A better question to ask is why do we not have plots in the north.