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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:41 am

Piratis wrote:And these are your "truths" that should "smack me"? Made up villages and made up people that create fairy tales?

I do not deny any truth. The truth is that Greek Cypriots suffered for centuries and continue to suffer today due to the Turkish aggression and expansionism against our island. Also, the TCs suffered for a single decade almost half a century ago. During the wars and conflicts that the Turks started with the aim to keep Cypriots enslaved, Cypriots lost many 1000s of people, and TCs lost some 100s.

So what do I deny? Did I deny that you also suffered for a decade, or did I deny that you had some 100s of casualties?

It is you who deny the fact that every war and conflict in Cyprus was in fact started by the Turks, because while they loved the idea of Cyprus being ruled by foreigners against the will of the Cypriots, they hated the idea of allowing Cypriots to take the decisions for their own island in a peaceful and democratic way.


Your posts are as annoying as a 'Mozzy'. You are definitely off my christmas list. Good riddance.
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Postby wallace » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:56 pm

Paphitis wrote:When I last visited the "trnc", I saw that every GC cemetery was turned into this:

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I also noticed that most GC religious sites are like this:

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Don't you dare show these facts!!!! TC's only like the fantasy stories :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:36 pm

Paphitis wrote:When I last visited the "trnc", I saw that every GC cemetery was turned into this:

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I also noticed that most GC religious sites are like this:

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:roll:


I would like to make it clear that even as an atheist I deplore the desecration of all religious. I am well aware of the fate suffered by most Christian sites in the north and find this disgusting, as I believe do all responsible Turkish Cypriots. I also hate the tit-for-tat mentality that creeps into discussions like this, but the fact is that such acts are not one-sided. If you go to the place shown on the map as the Turkish-Cypriot Cemetry on 3rd Street in Polemidia, Limassol, you will witness the results of totally wanton and malicious vandalism. The whole place has literally been turned into a heap of rubble. Personally I can understand how Greek Cypriots rehoused there after the 1974 invasion might vent their anger on such a site, but the scale of destruction there far exceeds what could be caused by a purely random, spontaneous attack. Concrete gravestones have been pulled apart with such force that the internal metal reinforcements have been ripped out and strewn over the ground. This could only have been done using special equipment brought here for this specific purpose. Even more sickeningly, there are holes where the bodies were buried. In other words, the very remains of the deceased have been disinterred. I was sickened to the core by what I saw there.
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:43 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:When I last visited the "trnc", I saw that every GC cemetery was turned into this:

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I also noticed that most GC religious sites are like this:

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:roll:


I would like to make it clear that even as an atheist I deplore the desecration of all religious. I am well aware of the fate suffered by most Christian sites in the north and find this disgusting, as I believe do all responsible Turkish Cypriots. I also hate the tit-for-tat mentality that creeps into discussions like this, but the fact is that such acts are not one-sided. If you go to the place shown on the map as the Turkish-Cypriot Cemetry on 3rd Street in Polemidia, Limassol, you will witness the results of totally wanton and malicious vandalism. The whole place has literally been turned into a heap of rubble. Personally I can understand how Greek Cypriots rehoused there after the 1974 invasion might vent their anger on such a site, but the scale of destruction there far exceeds what could be caused by a purely random, spontaneous attack. Concrete gravestones have been pulled apart with such force that the internal metal reinforcements have been ripped out and strewn over the ground. This could only have been done using special equipment brought here for this specific purpose. Even more sickeningly, there are holes where the bodies were buried. In other words, the very remains of the deceased have been disinterred. I was sickened to the core by what I saw there.



Thank you Tim. I hope Piratis does not read this response of yours. You will be on his hit list next.
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Postby halil » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:54 pm

wallace wrote:
Paphitis wrote:When I last visited the "trnc", I saw that every GC cemetery was turned into this:

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I also noticed that most GC religious sites are like this:

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:roll:



Don't you dare show these facts!!!! TC's only like the fantasy stories :lol: :lol: :lol:


yes we like fantasy stories .... below ones are fantasy as well

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Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:03 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:When I last visited the "trnc", I saw that every GC cemetery was turned into this:

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I also noticed that most GC religious sites are like this:

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:roll:


I would like to make it clear that even as an atheist I deplore the desecration of all religious. I am well aware of the fate suffered by most Christian sites in the north and find this disgusting, as I believe do all responsible Turkish Cypriots. I also hate the tit-for-tat mentality that creeps into discussions like this, but the fact is that such acts are not one-sided. If you go to the place shown on the map as the Turkish-Cypriot Cemetry on 3rd Street in Polemidia, Limassol, you will witness the results of totally wanton and malicious vandalism. The whole place has literally been turned into a heap of rubble. Personally I can understand how Greek Cypriots rehoused there after the 1974 invasion might vent their anger on such a site, but the scale of destruction there far exceeds what could be caused by a purely random, spontaneous attack. Concrete gravestones have been pulled apart with such force that the internal metal reinforcements have been ripped out and strewn over the ground. This could only have been done using special equipment brought here for this specific purpose. Even more sickeningly, there are holes where the bodies were buried. In other words, the very remains of the deceased have been disinterred. I was sickened to the core by what I saw there.


I think everyone here deplores vandalism wherever it may be.

However, Halil's motives are much more sinister. He has been very active posting negative articles about Cyprus and Cypriots. His motives are to make us look like demons. The articles are also emotionally charged with hate, and throw many accusations against us, but lack evidence. The TC motives are not to cooperate in good faith and seek a solution to The Cyprus Problem. They will not compromise at all, which this will result in an unworkable state of affairs where their only objective is to legitimise their gains, and if they cannot achieve this, then work towards a Taiwanisation or Kosovo type recognition.

If Halil wishes to play these games he must realise that we also suffered far worse. Just about all our cultural and religious significant sites have been destroyed. The occupied areas have been Turkified beyond recognition. This is not tit for tat. We have the right to defend ourselves against unfair and unjust claims, whilst at the same time we do not deny any sympathy towards them if they have been dealt with unjustly. Sadly though, they are all too often "crying wolf" whilst 200,000 cannot return to their homes, most of our churches and cemeteries have been destroyed whilst we more often than not, tend to respect their mosques and cemeteries much more, apart from a couple of isolated cases which no one from our side is pleased about.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:24 pm

Paphitis, I have seen both sides of the island and certainly agree that far more respect has been shown towards Turkish Cypriot heritage in the south than towards Greek Cypriot heritage in the north. This still does not excuse those cases of wanton destruction of Turkish Cypriot religious moments that have taken place.
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:31 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Paphitis, I have seen both sides of the island and certainly agree that far more respect has been shown towards Turkish Cypriot heritage in the south than towards Greek Cypriot heritage in the north. This still does not excuse those cases of wanton destruction of Turkish Cypriot religious moments that have taken place.


Thank you for admitting that the GCs have generally shown MUCH more respect towards Turkish Cypriot heritage.

My aim is not to excuse any destruction of TC heritage wherever it has occurred. However, when Halil posts his vile in order to rub salt in our wounds, then this is like waving a red flag to a bull.

No one from our side condones the destruction of TC heritage, but how do you think we feel about ALL of our heritage being destroyed in the occupied areas? Hail needs to learn a bit more respect if he is serious about finding a solution.
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:51 pm

And very village has been given a Turkish name. This is not mere destruction or disrespect, this is erasure of the very face of the island. We have been rubbed off the face of the north.

When you see this process of erasure you have to ask what their real intention is and you reasonably draw inferences of their plans.
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Postby MrH » Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:55 pm

Nikitas,

This is FACT you Dumbo!

Face the Reality!
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