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[Kikapu]

I hope the TC line isn't too crowded cause they usually spill over to the Rum line.

I thought to myself, who doesn't want to be in the "Rum Line", until I realised that DT was giving us a bit of a Turkish Lingo.!!

[DT.]

I hope the TC line isn't too crowded cause they usually spill over to the Rum line.

I thought to myself, who doesn't want to be in the "Rum Line", until I realised that DT was giving us a bit of a Turkish Lingo.!!

damn the one time I try my turkish (its written on the door!!)

[Nikitas]

Tim

You follow Turkish politics first hand. Has there ever been an open discussion in Turkey about its Cyprus policy?

In Greece there was an open, televised parliamentary debate in which former prime ministers and ministers openly stated that in the 60s, before the junta, Greece had a unionist policy in Cyprus. In the same debate it was stated by the same people that the policy had failed, and that the present policy is based on the acceptance of Cypriot independence.

It would be interesting to see where Turkey plans to take the Cyprus issue. As it stands now it is a massive piece of unfinished business. Turkey will either have to take over the whole of the island or establish partition in such a way that the Greek Cypriots accept it and give up their legitimate claims on the north.

The non solution policy which leaves pending legitimate GC claims depends on the perceived military superiority of Turkey, a factor that can be easily upset by unforeseen developments like new defence technologies, alliances, discovery of oil in undisputed Cypriot areas and changes in superpower policies. Any one of these eventualities could upset this unfinished business.

[DT.]

Tim

You follow Turkish politics first hand. Has there ever been an open discussion in Turkey about its Cyprus policy?

In Greece there was an open, televised parliamentary debate in which former prime ministers and ministers openly stated that in the 60s, before the junta, Greece had a unionist policy in Cyprus. In the same debate it was stated by the same people that the policy had failed, and that the present policy is based on the acceptance of Cypriot independence.

It would be interesting to see where Turkey plans to take the Cyprus issue. As it stands now it is a massive piece of unfinished business. Turkey will either have to take over the whole of the island or establish partition in such a way that the Greek Cypriots accept it and give up their legitimate claims on the north.

The non solution policy which leaves pending legitimate GC claims depends on the perceived military superiority of Turkey, a factor that can be easily upset by unforeseen developments like new defence technologies, alliances, discovery of oil in undisputed Cypriot areas and changes in superpower policies. Any one of these eventualities could upset this unfinished business.

Are you asking Tim if Turkey plans to finish us off?

[Nikitas]

I am asking Tim because he reads Turkish and keeps abreast of what goes on there.

And I strongly suspect that Turkey intends to finish us off.

[Tim Drayton]

I hope the TC line isn't too crowded cause they usually spill over to the Rum line.

I thought to myself, who doesn't want to be in the "Rum Line", until I realised that DT was giving us a bit of a Turkish Lingo.!!

damn the one time I try my turkish (its written on the door!!)

Rum devils, that's what you lot are!

[Tim Drayton]

Tim

You follow Turkish politics first hand. Has there ever been an open discussion in Turkey about its Cyprus policy?

In Greece there was an open, televised parliamentary debate in which former prime ministers and ministers openly stated that in the 60s, before the junta, Greece had a unionist policy in Cyprus. In the same debate it was stated by the same people that the policy had failed, and that the present policy is based on the acceptance of Cypriot independence.

It would be interesting to see where Turkey plans to take the Cyprus issue. As it stands now it is a massive piece of unfinished business. Turkey will either have to take over the whole of the island or establish partition in such a way that the Greek Cypriots accept it and give up their legitimate claims on the north.

The non solution policy which leaves pending legitimate GC claims depends on the perceived military superiority of Turkey, a factor that can be easily upset by unforeseen developments like new defence technologies, alliances, discovery of oil in undisputed Cypriot areas and changes in superpower policies. Any one of these eventualities could upset this unfinished business.

I don't think there has ever been such a discusion. In my view, the entity known as the deep state has kept a tight grip on Cyprus policy ever since it set up the TMT in the late fifties. The deep state does not go in for open debate.
I know that one tiny left-wing party which got less than 1% of the vote in the last elections in Turkey talked in its manifesto of ending the occupation of Cyprus, but apart from that all political parties espouse pretty much identical views on Cyprus.

[MrH]

Oracle, It's interesting the way you've said "Our" President!

Meanwhile, President Talat is only doing what has to be done under the framework of a UN agreement to the Cyprus problem. He clearly has no other choice!

[Nikitas]

"but apart from that all political parties espouse pretty much identical views on Cyprus."

Which we assume are those inferred from statements by officials re two countries, two peoples etc?

[Tim Drayton]

"but apart from that all political parties espouse pretty much identical views on Cyprus."

Which we assume are those inferred from statements by officials re two countries, two peoples etc?

Cyprus is felt much more to be a national issue that is above party politics. I don't think even such broad details have ever been up for discussion. The attitude is much more that Turkey's actions in Cyprus have always been right and will continue to be right.