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[DT.]

Off hand, I remember Klerides and Papadopoulos, long before they became Presidents.

These kids here are so brain washed that they think surrender of rights equals negotiations. They have had their private education while the TCs have been suffering under embargoes and isolation but that is not enough for the spoiled little brats. They believe the island is theirs and that Greece has no involvement in all of it. The real world becomes as some what of a strain when they are forced to live in it. Their had better be a ready supply of Prozac in the "RoC"...........

A Londoner telling me, a Cypriot what the realities of Cyprus really are! Give it a break Zan, you're so detached from this place sitting in North London that the least you can do is keep quiet about it.

Any "Cypriots" out there that wish to contribute to the Cyprob better do so with respect. Respect for the Cypriots that know this place inside out and live and breath all its joys and problems on a daily basis.

[zan]

Off hand, I remember Klerides and Papadopoulos, long before they became Presidents.

These kids here are so brain washed that they think surrender of rights equals negotiations. They have had their private education while the TCs have been suffering under embargoes and isolation but that is not enough for the spoiled little brats. They believe the island is theirs and that Greece has no involvement in all of it. The real world becomes as some what of a strain when they are forced to live in it. Their had better be a ready supply of Prozac in the "RoC"...........

A Londoner telling me, a Cypriot what the realities of Cyprus really are! Give it a break Zan, you're so detached from this place sitting in North London that the least you can do is keep quiet about it.

Any "Cypriots" out there that wish to contribute to the Cyprob better do so with respect. Respect for the Cypriots that know this place inside out and live and breath all its joys and problems on a daily basis.

The dying breath of a man who has no more argument and has to resort to talking crap. Maybe this crap would be interesting if I were living on a remote mountain with no communication with the outside world but I am not. I know what TCs want and that is to be treated fairly. We also know that we will not be treated fairly by you lot so we struggle on. Some moan but still live in the TRNC....Funny that when you say that the "RoC" would welcome them.....

Your leader has two choices dear mate....Give us our rights or agree a split....As the recession bites the Turkish ports will become more important. We are more used to living under difficult conditions...You pampered lot will find it hard......Happy hunting.

[Bananiot]

Paphitis comes up with his usual absurdities. Papadopoulos and Lyssarides cannot solve the problem. They are part of the problem. Talat is no road cleaner. He is the elected leader of the Turkish Cypriot community. Before 1974 we could send representatives to talk with Denktash but now some things have changed, thanks to people like Lyssarides and Papadopoulos, who led paramilitary groups in 1963 (regretfully with the blessings of Makarios) that targetted the average Turkish Cypriot.

Can you face the truth Paphitis? Can you deal with it?

[Tim Drayton]

I believe Talat has changed his relatively mild views [...]

I believe there has been a very sharp shift in Turkey's Cyprus policy, and Talat, as the ventriloquist's dummy, finds himself mouthing very different words.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis comes up with his usual absurdities. Papadopoulos and Lyssarides cannot solve the problem. They are part of the problem. Talat is no road cleaner. He is the elected leader of the Turkish Cypriot community. Before 1974 we could send representatives to talk with Denktash but now some things have changed, thanks to people like Lyssarides and Papadopoulos, who led paramilitary groups in 1963 (regretfully with the blessings of Makarios) that targetted the average Turkish Cypriot.

Can you face the truth Paphitis? Can you deal with it?

Absolutely! That is why I would like to see either TPapp or Lyssaridis as the chief negotiators for the Cyprus Problem. They are straight shooters and are the only politicians prepared to tell it the way it is. Those 2 and Karogian have my respect. They are REAL statesmen.

There is no way these guys would have offered an explanation to Mr. Nobody Talat about the Cyprus - Russia Bilateral arrangements.

[Bananiot]

That is the easy part Tim. The difficult part is to explain this "change".

[Bananiot]

Tell us another one Paphitis ...

[Paphitis]

Tell us another one Paphitis ...

I am glad that we finally agree!

[Tim Drayton]

That is the easy part Tim. The difficult part is to explain this "change".

There is a theory that the ruling AKP did a deal behind closed doors with the Turkish military establishment/deep state by means of which the threat to close the AKP by judicial means would be removed provided that the old elite could take charge of certain pet projects. It seems to me that on two particular issues - the Kurds and Cyprus - the creative search for new solutions of recent years has been abandoned in favour of the old hard-line approach.

[Bananiot]

Would Turkey take the risk of shouldering failure in the current negotiations Tim? If Turkey has gone back to its intransigent past, any advantages gained by accepting the UN brokered solution plan in 2004 will evaporate away. They are not that stupid, I am sure.