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[Murataga]

Ali Erel: Which phrase does finally bother Talat?

Ali Erel, president of the Turkish Cypriot “Cyprus and European Union Association,” calls on the Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat to clarify on which points or phrases of the Joint Declaration between the Republic of Cyprus and the Russian Federation he maintain objections.
As it was communicated from the occupied part of Cyprus, Mr. Erel, in a written statement, remarks that ''the Turkish policy is fishing in dull waters,” adding that «it is difficult to understand what words contained in the Declaration annoy the Turkish side,” since this memorandum emphasizes the need for a solution to the Cyprus problem based on the bizonal, bicommunal federation, within the parameters and UN resolutions.

Talat owes explanations to the TCs!
Mr. Erel, addressing the TC leader, wonders whether “was it not Mehmet Ali Talat himself saying that the Cyprus problem must be resolved within the parameters of the resolutions of the UN Security Council, and that these resolutions are also binding for the Turkish side.”
He further wonders whether it was not the Turkish side “that was negotiating the transformation of the Republic of Cyprus into a federal State, as specified in official documents of the UN.” Mr. Erel considers that “Mr. Talat owes an explanation to the TCs on this issue.”

In his written statement, the TC politician refers to the fact that “in all the papers published by the UN so far, the Republic of Cyprus, always was the only recognized state in Cyprus,” adding that although the TCs do not participate in the Government and the parliament of the Republic of Cyprus since 1963, “Turkey actually behaved in such a way that shows the recognition” of the Republic of Cyprus. Mr. Erel says that the Republic of Cyprus is not only recognized by the UN, as the only legitimate Government in Cyprus, but the same happens with the European Union, the Council of Europe, the European Court of Human Rights, NATO and other international organizations.

“The TC community needs to know the truth.”
Once again we call on Mr. Talat and those shaping the TC policy to tell the whole truth to the TCs, and to come clean on what points or phrases of the Joint Declaration between the Republic and Russian Federation they maintain objections,” concludes the Mr. Erel.

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http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/91095

was wondering when someone from the north would state this. I don't see what exactly bothered talat with what the statement read.

Every word and phrase has great implications in these type of declarations. Nothing is random or used by coincidence.

The joint declaration specifically states:

"reaffirm the need for a comprehensive just and viable settlement in Cyprus, on the basis of the relevant UN Security Council resolutions and the High Level Agreements of 1977 and 1979. These provide for the evolution of the unitary state of the Republic of Cyprus into a bicommunal bizonal federation, with a single sovereignty, a single citizenship, one international personality, which will incorporate political equality, as this is defined in the relevant UN Security Council resolutions"

The fact of the matter is that neither relevant UN Security Council resolutions or the High Level Agreements of 1977 and 1979 make any statement about the "evolution of the unitary state of the Republic of Cyprus into..." anything. It is true that these documents call for the establishment of a Federal Republic, but NONE make any reference that it be evolved from what exists, i.e. completely ruling out virgin birth. This is an issue of paramount importance to us and it has not been settled between the two sides. Our side`s objection to this declaration between Russia and Christofias was because: (1) it is a flat-out lie that any of the aforementioned documents foresee that the solution be based on the "evolution" of the existing "state"; (2) such one-sided declarations at the time of these important INTER-COMMUNAL talks attempt to unilaterally intervene and impose the foresight of another country on a matter which we the TCs strongly reject. Does this help with your question?

[Piratis]

Who cares about what you or your puppet leaders think? If you don't like it then leave from the negotiations.

In Cyprus we have a democratically elected government, and the government will do what is for the interests of our island and its people, not what Turkey and their puppets want.

Interesting how it is fine for you to use Turkey to impose all your illegalities against UN resolutions, but according to you we should not be even allowed to say what we want.

[EPSILON]

Time to get the Russians in and kick those turk asses out .......there is no other solution.

Im growing tired of hearing GC's making empty threats, hoping greece/russia/france will come and kick the turks out, fuck me dead dont you think greece/russia/france would have come to your aid by now if they were going to?? it a good thing we havent been holding our breath.
Your pumpkin head president can brown nose Putin and suck him off as much as he wants to, Russia aint doing shit for the ROC, all thats happening is he is humiliating himself on the world stage.
So in summary, if you would like the north of cyprus, come and take it or shut the F*&K UP BITCHES!!!!

Do not be harry. Turkey itself will (if not already) f*&ked you in North.What is 35 or 50 0r 100 years in history? nothing.just a percentage of a second.

You are so happy in North and we do not want to destroy your paradise...The dog is shouting but it lives only 13 years, the human is living almoast 90 years-this you can not understand.

[DT.]

Ali Erel: Which phrase does finally bother Talat?

Ali Erel, president of the Turkish Cypriot “Cyprus and European Union Association,” calls on the Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat to clarify on which points or phrases of the Joint Declaration between the Republic of Cyprus and the Russian Federation he maintain objections.
As it was communicated from the occupied part of Cyprus, Mr. Erel, in a written statement, remarks that ''the Turkish policy is fishing in dull waters,” adding that «it is difficult to understand what words contained in the Declaration annoy the Turkish side,” since this memorandum emphasizes the need for a solution to the Cyprus problem based on the bizonal, bicommunal federation, within the parameters and UN resolutions.

Talat owes explanations to the TCs!
Mr. Erel, addressing the TC leader, wonders whether “was it not Mehmet Ali Talat himself saying that the Cyprus problem must be resolved within the parameters of the resolutions of the UN Security Council, and that these resolutions are also binding for the Turkish side.”
He further wonders whether it was not the Turkish side “that was negotiating the transformation of the Republic of Cyprus into a federal State, as specified in official documents of the UN.” Mr. Erel considers that “Mr. Talat owes an explanation to the TCs on this issue.”

In his written statement, the TC politician refers to the fact that “in all the papers published by the UN so far, the Republic of Cyprus, always was the only recognized state in Cyprus,” adding that although the TCs do not participate in the Government and the parliament of the Republic of Cyprus since 1963, “Turkey actually behaved in such a way that shows the recognition” of the Republic of Cyprus. Mr. Erel says that the Republic of Cyprus is not only recognized by the UN, as the only legitimate Government in Cyprus, but the same happens with the European Union, the Council of Europe, the European Court of Human Rights, NATO and other international organizations.

“The TC community needs to know the truth.”
Once again we call on Mr. Talat and those shaping the TC policy to tell the whole truth to the TCs, and to come clean on what points or phrases of the Joint Declaration between the Republic and Russian Federation they maintain objections,” concludes the Mr. Erel.

translated from
http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/91095

was wondering when someone from the north would state this. I don't see what exactly bothered talat with what the statement read.

Every word and phrase has great implications in these type of declarations. Nothing is random or used by coincidence.

The joint declaration specifically states:

"reaffirm the need for a comprehensive just and viable settlement in Cyprus, on the basis of the relevant UN Security Council resolutions and the High Level Agreements of 1977 and 1979. These provide for the evolution of the unitary state of the Republic of Cyprus into a bicommunal bizonal federation, with a single sovereignty, a single citizenship, one international personality, which will incorporate political equality, as this is defined in the relevant UN Security Council resolutions"

The fact of the matter is that neither relevant UN Security Council resolutions or the High Level Agreements of 1977 and 1979 make any statement about the "evolution of the unitary state of the Republic of Cyprus into..." anything. It is true that these documents call for the establishment of a Federal Republic, but NONE make any reference that it be evolved from what exists, i.e. completely ruling out virgin birth. This is an issue of paramount importance to us and it has not been settled between the two sides. Our side`s objection to this declaration between Russia and Christofias was because: (1) it is a flat-out lie that any of the aforementioned documents foresee that the solution be based on the "evolution" of the existing "state"; (2) such one-sided declarations at the time of these important INTER-COMMUNAL talks attempt to unilaterally intervene and impose the foresight of another country on a matter which we the TCs strongly reject. Does this help with your question?

if you're going to mention whats NOT in the high level agreements then I suggest you begin with whats IN the high level agreements

point 5 for example

Priority will be given to reaching agreement on the resettlement of Varosha under United
Nations auspices simultaneously with the beginning of the consideration by the
interlocutors of the constitutional and territorial aspects of a canprehensive settlement.
After agreement on Varosha has been reached, it will be implemented without waiting the
outcome of the discussion on other aspects of the Cyprus problem

or point 3

There should be respect for human rights and fundamental freedom of all citizens of the
Republic.

Point 3 especially talks volumes.

Article 13 states right of freedom of movement and residence
Article 17 No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property
Article 21 The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

[Murataga]

Ali Erel: Which phrase does finally bother Talat?

Ali Erel, president of the Turkish Cypriot “Cyprus and European Union Association,” calls on the Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat to clarify on which points or phrases of the Joint Declaration between the Republic of Cyprus and the Russian Federation he maintain objections.
As it was communicated from the occupied part of Cyprus, Mr. Erel, in a written statement, remarks that ''the Turkish policy is fishing in dull waters,” adding that «it is difficult to understand what words contained in the Declaration annoy the Turkish side,” since this memorandum emphasizes the need for a solution to the Cyprus problem based on the bizonal, bicommunal federation, within the parameters and UN resolutions.

Talat owes explanations to the TCs!
Mr. Erel, addressing the TC leader, wonders whether “was it not Mehmet Ali Talat himself saying that the Cyprus problem must be resolved within the parameters of the resolutions of the UN Security Council, and that these resolutions are also binding for the Turkish side.”
He further wonders whether it was not the Turkish side “that was negotiating the transformation of the Republic of Cyprus into a federal State, as specified in official documents of the UN.” Mr. Erel considers that “Mr. Talat owes an explanation to the TCs on this issue.”

In his written statement, the TC politician refers to the fact that “in all the papers published by the UN so far, the Republic of Cyprus, always was the only recognized state in Cyprus,” adding that although the TCs do not participate in the Government and the parliament of the Republic of Cyprus since 1963, “Turkey actually behaved in such a way that shows the recognition” of the Republic of Cyprus. Mr. Erel says that the Republic of Cyprus is not only recognized by the UN, as the only legitimate Government in Cyprus, but the same happens with the European Union, the Council of Europe, the European Court of Human Rights, NATO and other international organizations.

“The TC community needs to know the truth.”
Once again we call on Mr. Talat and those shaping the TC policy to tell the whole truth to the TCs, and to come clean on what points or phrases of the Joint Declaration between the Republic and Russian Federation they maintain objections,” concludes the Mr. Erel.

translated from
http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/91095

was wondering when someone from the north would state this. I don't see what exactly bothered talat with what the statement read.

Every word and phrase has great implications in these type of declarations. Nothing is random or used by coincidence.

The joint declaration specifically states:

"reaffirm the need for a comprehensive just and viable settlement in Cyprus, on the basis of the relevant UN Security Council resolutions and the High Level Agreements of 1977 and 1979. These provide for the evolution of the unitary state of the Republic of Cyprus into a bicommunal bizonal federation, with a single sovereignty, a single citizenship, one international personality, which will incorporate political equality, as this is defined in the relevant UN Security Council resolutions"

The fact of the matter is that neither relevant UN Security Council resolutions or the High Level Agreements of 1977 and 1979 make any statement about the "evolution of the unitary state of the Republic of Cyprus into..." anything. It is true that these documents call for the establishment of a Federal Republic, but NONE make any reference that it be evolved from what exists, i.e. completely ruling out virgin birth. This is an issue of paramount importance to us and it has not been settled between the two sides. Our side`s objection to this declaration between Russia and Christofias was because: (1) it is a flat-out lie that any of the aforementioned documents foresee that the solution be based on the "evolution" of the existing "state"; (2) such one-sided declarations at the time of these important INTER-COMMUNAL talks attempt to unilaterally intervene and impose the foresight of another country on a matter which we the TCs strongly reject. Does this help with your question?

if you're going to mention whats NOT in the high level agreements then I suggest you begin with whats IN the high level agreements

point 5 for example

Priority will be given to reaching agreement on the resettlement of Varosha under United
Nations auspices simultaneously with the beginning of the consideration by the
interlocutors of the constitutional and territorial aspects of a canprehensive settlement.
After agreement on Varosha has been reached, it will be implemented without waiting the
outcome of the discussion on other aspects of the Cyprus problem

or point 3

There should be respect for human rights and fundamental freedom of all citizens of the
Republic.

Point 3 especially talks volumes.

Article 13 states right of freedom of movement and residence
Article 17 No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property
Article 21 The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

And?.... These are the general principles of what an established/agreed settlement plan should embody, something which should be negotiated within the framework of the 1977 Agreements - and essentially all relevant U.N. declarations reaffirm the 77/79 Agreements. We stand by these. On the other hand, none of the aforementioned documents establish a principle of the evolution of the existing state for the solution of the Cyprus problem. Yet, Christofias is out there trying to change the parameters of terms agreed by the communal leaders via making joint declarations with Russia and lying to the whole world that the evolution of the existing state for a solution is what the the High Level Agreements and U.N. Resolutions foresee.

[Nikitas]

"On the other hand, none of the aforementioned documents establish a principle of the evolution of the existing state for the solution of the Cyprus problem."

And equally NO RESOLUTION calls for a dissolution of the Republic of Cyprus, a member of the UN which passed these resolutions. Asking for the dissolution of a state is a huge step, unlikely to have been implicitly understood. If that was the intention why was it not expressly included by Denktash in the high level agreements? Because it was not part of Turkish policy till recently. Denktash is a clefer lawyer and a cunning politician, he would not have left out something he considered vital.

Dissolution of the RoC does not make sense in the context of a Unitary state. It makes plenty of sense if there is an ulterior motive and a longer term plan to dissolve the federation and be left with a TC state which can then claim the whole island.

It is legtitimate according to some people in this forum to seek support for the dissolution of the RoC, but unacceptable to seek allies who reaffirm the RoC's right to exist.

Some moral degenerates expect the GCs who depend on the RoC for their survival to give it up and become something like the TRNC, living off handouts. And that is NOT going to happen.

[Nikitas]

As for the outcome, Talat and his masters will be told the hard facts by the EU Commission which has already made it very clear that in the event of dissolution of the RoC there will have to be new negotiations for the entry of the new state in the EU.

[Murataga]

"On the other hand, none of the aforementioned documents establish a principle of the evolution of the existing state for the solution of the Cyprus problem."

And equally NO RESOLUTION calls for a dissolution of the Republic of Cyprus, a member of the UN which passed these resolutions. Asking for the dissolution of a state is a huge step, unlikely to have been implicitly understood. If that was the intention why was it not expressly included by Denktash in the high level agreements? Because it was not part of Turkish policy till recently. Denktash is a clefer lawyer and a cunning politician, he would not have left out something he considered vital.

Dissolution of the RoC does not make sense in the context of a Unitary state. It makes plenty of sense if there is an ulterior motive and a longer term plan to dissolve the federation and be left with a TC state which can then claim the whole island.

It is legtitimate according to some people in this forum to seek support for the dissolution of the RoC, but unacceptable to seek allies who reaffirm the RoC's right to exist.

Some moral degenerates expect the GCs who depend on the RoC for their survival to give it up and become something like the TRNC, living off handouts. And that is NOT going to happen.

What is illegitimate and a lie is claiming that the High Level Agreements and U.N. Resolutions seek the solution to be an evolution of the existing state. They do not, period. Claiming that they do is a lie and this is exactly what the GC leadership has done in their joint manifesto with Russia. Although we want a virgin birth, we are not claiming that it is part of High Level Agreements and U.N. Resolutions and we are certainly not signing anything with anyone stating that it is. Do you or do you not understand this clear difference?

[Oracle]

What is illegitimate and a lie is that a much larger nation can invade a much smaller nation and hold it to ransom to force it to "evolve" to favour some kind of new unheard of constitution or state, but expect us, its natives, and resistance force, to accept the slave mentality and carry out their every wish and command ... in this day and age.

Turks go back to the soup ..... No one in liberal Europe wants anything to do with your fascist way of thinking ....

[Kifeas]

"On the other hand, none of the aforementioned documents establish a principle of the evolution of the existing state for the solution of the Cyprus problem."

And equally NO RESOLUTION calls for a dissolution of the Republic of Cyprus, a member of the UN which passed these resolutions. Asking for the dissolution of a state is a huge step, unlikely to have been implicitly understood. If that was the intention why was it not expressly included by Denktash in the high level agreements? Because it was not part of Turkish policy till recently. Denktash is a clefer lawyer and a cunning politician, he would not have left out something he considered vital.

Dissolution of the RoC does not make sense in the context of a Unitary state. It makes plenty of sense if there is an ulterior motive and a longer term plan to dissolve the federation and be left with a TC state which can then claim the whole island.

It is legtitimate according to some people in this forum to seek support for the dissolution of the RoC, but unacceptable to seek allies who reaffirm the RoC's right to exist.

Some moral degenerates expect the GCs who depend on the RoC for their survival to give it up and become something like the TRNC, living off handouts. And that is NOT going to happen.

What is illegitimate and a lie is claiming that the High Level Agreements and U.N. Resolutions seek the solution to be an evolution of the existing state. They do not, period. Claiming that they do is a lie and this is exactly what the GC leadership has done in their joint manifesto with Russia. Although we want a virgin birth, we are not claiming that it is part of High Level Agreements and U.N. Resolutions and we are certainly not signing anything with anyone stating that it is. Do you or do you not understand this clear difference?

Okay Murat, good luck with your endeavors to convince the UN, the entire EU, and the entire planet for this matter, that the RoC which the regard as their member and which signed thousands of agreements and declarations with, does not really exist as they recognize it, namely to be the 1960 established single legal and sovereign entity for the whole of the island; and that what it instead “exists” is a GC administration in the south and a "TRNC" in the north! Good luck, as I am sure you will need plenty of it, but still it will prove not enough!

I think you Turks are not just from another planet, but in fact from another galaxy!