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Turkey has ALL ROC rights under the 1960 Constitution!

Postby MrH » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:49 pm

Turkey has every (legal and Constitutional) right to interfere with the Republic of Cyprus as long as the GCs are (and remain) operating under the original 1960 constitution as they did not dismiss it after the 1974 conflict and declare a new constitution based on let’s say the Greek Cypriot Republic (which they could have done, and can probably still as I have no doubt they’d be recognised by the EU if they should suddenly chose to declare Greek Cypriot Independence of the South of Cyprus!).

Unless the GCs dismiss claim to the original partnership 1960 constitution of the ROC or agree to Solve the Cyprus issue under a Two State resolution with two new Constitutions, Turkey’s Partnership and Sovereign rights similarly to the sovereign rights of the UK with their two bases can not be legally dismissed or ignored. Obviously, I’m no constitutional Lawyer (!), but any ignorance to this reality then I would say the GCs can always expect Turkey to interfere when it sees constitutionally fit! Especially issue concerning Oil Exploration off the Cyprus coast no matter whether it's off Paphos or Karpaz!

If there's no Solution, then there will always be Turkey. The original Cyprus Republic of formed under an agreement involving Turkey, Greece and the UK - Period! Please re-read your own constitution, but not the part that have changed since 1960!!!! Treaty of Alliance, Guarantee, 1959 Zurich agreement, etc, etc....read,...read,...read.
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Re: Turkey has ALL ROC rights under the 1960 Constitution!

Postby EPSILON » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:55 pm

MrH wrote:Turkey has every (legal and Constitutional) right to interfere with the Republic of Cyprus as long as the GCs are (and remain) operating under the original 1960 constitution as they did not dismiss it after the 1974 conflict and declare a new constitution based on let’s say the Greek Cypriot Republic (which they could have done, and can probably still as I have no doubt they’d be recognised by the EU if they should suddenly chose to declare Greek Cypriot Independence of the South of Cyprus!).

Unless the GCs dismiss claim to the original partnership 1960 constitution of the ROC or agree to Solve the Cyprus issue under a Two State resolution with two new Constitutions, Turkey’s Partnership and Sovereign rights similarly to the sovereign rights of the UK with their two bases can not be legally dismissed or ignored. Obviously, I’m no constitutional Lawyer (!), but any ignorance to this reality then I would say the GCs can always expect Turkey to interfere when it sees constitutionally fit! Especially issue concerning Oil Exploration off the Cyprus coast no matter whether it's off Paphos or Karpaz!

If there's no Solution, then there will always be Turkey. The original Cyprus Republic of formed under an agreement involving Turkey, Greece and the UK - Period! Please re-read your own constitution, but not the part that have changed since 1960!!!! Treaty of Alliance, Guarantee, 1959 Zurich agreement, etc, etc....read,...read,...read.


1ST clause of costitution: Turkey allowed to have 40000 soldiers in the Island.
2nd clause: Are you looking for stupids?
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Re: Turkey has ALL ROC rights under the 1960 Constitution!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:55 pm

MrH wrote:Turkey has every (legal and Constitutional) right to interfere with the Republic of Cyprus...

Turkey does not recognize the RoC so that alone puts your "argument" to the bin before it even takes off!

How about you give me of good TC recipe for making Goubbes please which is more up your alley?
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Postby MrH » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:57 pm

Also.... if the GCs don't agree, then why did Christofias issue warning to his own people of Papadopoulos' failed response to sit down in front of the TC President, and why was he so desperate to Re-engage in UN lead Peace talks after his appointment as the GC Controlled President of the ROC.

The truth is that Christofias knows very well Turkey's rights to the ROC, which is why he's desperately hoping for an agreement that dismisses Turkey's Guarantor and Partnership rights on the "ISLAND" of Cyprus - FAT Chance mate....that is certainly a NO-GO!

Reality Bites!
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:58 pm

"Obviously, I’m no constitutional Lawyer "

You got that right!
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Postby MrH » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:59 pm

Get Real,

Turkey Does recognise the ROC, but the original ROC - and NOT the GC Controlled ROC that was hijacked after 1974!

I thought you'd know that one!
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:03 pm

MrH wrote:Get Real,

Turkey Does recognise the ROC, but the original ROC - and NOT the GC Controlled ROC that was hijacked after 1974!

I thought you'd know that one!


"Turkey does not recognize the Republic of Cyprus."

http://www.traveldocs.com/cy/foreign.htm

Can't be bothered finding a more '"official" site right now but that'll do. Just search for this sentence and you'll get a zillion hits.

It’s actually silly to dispute it given that Turkey formed the “TRNC” in 1983 thus violating the RoC! :lol:
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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:04 pm

Nikitas wrote:"Obviously, I’m no constitutional Lawyer "

You got that right!


Must be the first time he (she?) has.
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:04 pm

MrH wrote:Also.... if the GCs don't agree, then why did Christofias issue warning to his own people of Papadopoulos' failed response to sit down in front of the TC President, and why was he so desperate to Re-engage in UN lead Peace talks after his appointment as the GC Controlled President of the ROC.

The truth is that Christofias knows very well Turkey's rights to the ROC, which is why he's desperately hoping for an agreement that dismisses Turkey's Guarantor and Partnership rights on the "ISLAND" of Cyprus - FAT Chance mate....that is certainly a NO-GO!

Reality Bites!


ROC and its people will never help the third world Turkey to get out of the grave where put themselves alongwith T/cs , giving them also any right to the free area. All other -negotiations etc are for the eyes only- ROC is a member of EU and ,if i remember well, it did not ask Turkey for this.The solution must include a huge compensasion by Turkey to the G/cs for the damages it incurred and then we can start to discuss seriously for a solution. But do not be auxius -many things will happen in the area before the solution in Cyprus.
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Re: Turkey has ALL ROC rights under the 1960 Constitution!

Postby BlackBolt » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:05 pm

MrH wrote:Turkey has every (legal and Constitutional) right to interfere with the Republic of Cyprus as long as the GCs are (and remain) operating under the original 1960 constitution as they did not dismiss it after the 1974 conflict and declare a new constitution based on let’s say the Greek Cypriot Republic (which they could have done, and can probably still as I have no doubt they’d be recognised by the EU if they should suddenly chose to declare Greek Cypriot Independence of the South of Cyprus!).

Unless the GCs dismiss claim to the original partnership 1960 constitution of the ROC or agree to Solve the Cyprus issue under a Two State resolution with two new Constitutions, Turkey’s Partnership and Sovereign rights similarly to the sovereign rights of the UK with their two bases can not be legally dismissed or ignored. Obviously, I’m no constitutional Lawyer (!), but any ignorance to this reality then I would say the GCs can always expect Turkey to interfere when it sees constitutionally fit! Especially issue concerning Oil Exploration off the Cyprus coast no matter whether it's off Paphos or Karpaz!

If there's no Solution, then there will always be Turkey. The original Cyprus Republic of formed under an agreement involving Turkey, Greece and the UK - Period! Please re-read your own constitution, but not the part that have changed since 1960!!!! Treaty of Alliance, Guarantee, 1959 Zurich agreement, etc, etc....read,...read,...read.


Heard it all before Zan, try again. :roll:
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