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[Kifeas]

Don't you all see that this person is basically a psycho that you should stop arguing with or responding to any of his /her posts, so as to let him hopefully move elsewhere to try his luck?

I mean, if you can't figure this out from his words, just take a look at his avatar, which a reflection of how his mind is! What else do you need?

[Byron]

Don't you all see that this person is basically a psycho that you should stop arguing with or responding to any of his /her posts, so as to let him hopefully move elsewhere to try his luck?

I mean, if you can't figure this out from his words, just take a look at his avatar, which a reflection of how his mind is! What else do you need?

I would like to disagree with your comment. Mr H made a statement regarding Turkey's right under the 1960 Constitution. I replied giving the reasons why it lost its guarantor powers. Even so Mr H has a right of reply. That is how democracy should work not in the manner you propose. Constructive dialogue is the only means of resolving the Cyprus problem. If we believe the Turks are wrong or vice versa then we need to give clear explanations otherwise what is the point of trying to find a settlement under one umbrella when we shall just end up fighting again.

[Kifeas]

Don't you all see that this person is basically a psycho that you should stop arguing with or responding to any of his /her posts, so as to let him hopefully move elsewhere to try his luck?

I mean, if you can't figure this out from his words, just take a look at his avatar, which a reflection of how his mind is! What else do you need?

I would like to disagree with your comment. Mr H made a statement regarding Turkey's right under the 1960 Constitution. I replied giving the reasons why it lost its guarantor powers. Even so Mr H has a right of reply. That is how democracy should work not in the manner you propose. Constructive dialogue is the only means of resolving the Cyprus problem. If we believe the Turks are wrong or vice versa then we need to give clear explanations otherwise what is the point of trying to find a settlement under one umbrella when we shall just end up fighting again.

Give me a brake, byron, from your ...constructive dialogues with ...MrH!

[Byron]

Don't you all see that this person is basically a psycho that you should stop arguing with or responding to any of his /her posts, so as to let him hopefully move elsewhere to try his luck?

I mean, if you can't figure this out from his words, just take a look at his avatar, which a reflection of how his mind is! What else do you need?

I would like to disagree with your comment. Mr H made a statement regarding Turkey's right under the 1960 Constitution. I replied giving the reasons why it lost its guarantor powers. Even so Mr H has a right of reply. That is how democracy should work not in the manner you propose. Constructive dialogue is the only means of resolving the Cyprus problem. If we believe the Turks are wrong or vice versa then we need to give clear explanations otherwise what is the point of trying to find a settlement under one umbrella when we shall just end up fighting again.

Give me a brake, byron, from your ...constructive dialogues
with ...MrH! [/quot

Break ( BRAKE ) from what? Are you interested in discussing the topic or not ?

[Kifeas]

Don't you all see that this person is basically a psycho that you should stop arguing with or responding to any of his /her posts, so as to let him hopefully move elsewhere to try his luck?

I mean, if you can't figure this out from his words, just take a look at his avatar, which a reflection of how his mind is! What else do you need?

I would like to disagree with your comment. Mr H made a statement regarding Turkey's right under the 1960 Constitution. I replied giving the reasons why it lost its guarantor powers. Even so Mr H has a right of reply. That is how democracy should work not in the manner you propose. Constructive dialogue is the only means of resolving the Cyprus problem. If we believe the Turks are wrong or vice versa then we need to give clear explanations otherwise what is the point of trying to find a settlement under one umbrella when we shall just end up fighting again.

Give me a brake, byron, from your ...constructive dialogues
with ...MrH! [/quot

Break ( BRAKE ) from what? Are you interested in discussing the topic or not ?

Byron, since it seems you are the only person interested in ...discussing "topics" with MrH, why don't you two carry on your ...constructive "dialogues" through PMs (private messages?)

[Byron]

Turkey has every (legal and Constitutional) right to interfere with the Republic of Cyprus as long as the GCs are (and remain) operating under the original 1960 constitution as they did not dismiss it after the 1974 conflict and declare a new constitution based on let’s say the Greek Cypriot Republic (which they could have done, and can probably still as I have no doubt they’d be recognised by the EU if they should suddenly chose to declare Greek Cypriot Independence of the South of Cyprus!).

Unless the GCs dismiss claim to the original partnership 1960 constitution of the ROC or agree to Solve the Cyprus issue under a Two State resolution with two new Constitutions, Turkey’s Partnership and Sovereign rights similarly to the sovereign rights of the UK with their two bases can not be legally dismissed or ignored. Obviously, I’m no constitutional Lawyer (!), but any ignorance to this reality then I would say the GCs can always expect Turkey to interfere when it sees constitutionally fit! Especially issue concerning Oil Exploration off the Cyprus coast no matter whether it's off Paphos or Karpaz!

If there's no Solution, then there will always be Turkey. The original Cyprus Republic of formed under an agreement involving Turkey, Greece and the UK - Period! Please re-read your own constitution, but not the part that have changed since 1960!!!! Treaty of Alliance, Guarantee, 1959 Zurich agreement, etc, etc....read,...read,...read.

Defacto TURKEY has created an illegal state within the Cyprus Constitution and having done so loses all its rights as a guarantor power.

From a legal point of view to regain any possible rights under the existing constitution, Turkey must restore the original status quo. To do that it must liquidate the TRNC, send back all foreign troops to TURKEY, repatriate all illegal settlers, give back to the GC their homes and obtain the approval from the remaining two guarantor powers.

Hey Kifeas firstly Mr H started the discussion topic. Are you saying that you disagree with my comment and side with Mr H ? if so on what grounds.

[MrH]

Byron,

Thank you!

The Cyprus problem is Not Solved, thus I, along with President Talat, the TRNC and Turkey believe that Turkey's 1960 rights remain. Why?

1) Because The Cyprus border is regarded as a "Cease Fire Line" only.
2) The two leaders are negotiating for a UN based plan, not an EU based.
3) The Annan Plan was real, was produced and reinstated, officially, Turkey's complete Guarantor status of the Entire Island!
4) Today's UN talks will not be far off the Annan Plan. And if it is, it will receive a resounding "No" again. Which means what?
5) The EU have admitted that they had made a mistake in admitting a country still in Conflict.
and many, many more explanations Byron,....but I must go for now....must attend court....

Ciao Bella.

[Byron]

Byron,

Thank you!

The Cyprus problem is Not Solved, thus I, along with President Talat, the TRNC and Turkey believe that Turkey's 1960 rights remain. Why?

1) Because The Cyprus border is regarded as a "Cease Fire Line" only.
2) The two leaders are negotiating for a UN based plan, not an EU based.
3) The Annan Plan was real, was produced and reinstated, officially, Turkey's complete Guarantor status of the Entire Island!
4) Today's UN talks will not be far off the Annan Plan. And if it is, it will receive a resounding "No" again. Which means what?
5) The EU have admitted that they had made a mistake in admitting a country still in Conflict.
and many, many more explanations Byron,....but I must go for now....must attend court....

Ciao Bella.

Mr H,

I will try to reply in a civilised way not like some people on this forum.
With due respect your arguments are very weak indeed. You refer to the constitution of 1960 which does not allow the creation of another state within another state. If you recognise the TRNC as a seperate state then defacto you cannot fall in within the legal protection of the 1960 constitution.

Ceasefire line - if this is correct then it is a ceasefire line within the Cyprus republic and therefore north of the ceasefire line is still within the republic and hence the TRNC is illegal.

Point 2 - is irrelevant to the discussion .
Point 3 - Annan plan had no legal binding
Point 4 - Un proposal is a proposal for now
Point 5 - You may have a point on this one but the fact of the matter is that it is the Republic of Cyprus that was formally admitted to the EU and that includes yourselves.

Therefore if you recognise the 1960 constitution you automatically recognise the EU admission of Cyprus and relinquish your claims to the TRNC.

[Get Real!]

Byron,

Thank you!

The Cyprus problem is Not Solved, thus I, along with President Talat, the TRNC and Turkey believe that Turkey's 1960 rights remain. Why?

1) Because The Cyprus border is regarded as a "Cease Fire Line" only.
2) The two leaders are negotiating for a UN based plan, not an EU based.
3) The Annan Plan was real, was produced and reinstated, officially, Turkey's complete Guarantor status of the Entire Island!
4) Today's UN talks will not be far off the Annan Plan. And if it is, it will receive a resounding "No" again. Which means what?
5) The EU have admitted that they had made a mistake in admitting a country still in Conflict.
and many, many more explanations Byron,....but I must go for now....must attend court....

Ciao Bella.

What a daft post. What do the 5 above have to do with "Turkey's 1960 rights remain" ???

[Byron]

Byron,

Thank you!

The Cyprus problem is Not Solved, thus I, along with President Talat, the TRNC and Turkey believe that Turkey's 1960 rights remain. Why?

1) Because The Cyprus border is regarded as a "Cease Fire Line" only.
2) The two leaders are negotiating for a UN based plan, not an EU based.
3) The Annan Plan was real, was produced and reinstated, officially, Turkey's complete Guarantor status of the Entire Island!
4) Today's UN talks will not be far off the Annan Plan. And if it is, it will receive a resounding "No" again. Which means what?
5) The EU have admitted that they had made a mistake in admitting a country still in Conflict.
and many, many more explanations Byron,....but I must go for now....must attend court....

Ciao Bella.

What a daft post. What do the 5 above have to do with "Turkey's 1960 rights remain" ???

Its not enough to say that H's comments are daft. It is supposed to be a discussion not a chat show. Please give your thoughts to the discussion. Why are they daft ? Are you agreeing with my remarks, do you have anything to add, if so , please do .