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[Kifeas]

[It can be reserved only if a solution is found soon,which will remove most of the settlers,bring the TCs and GCs in close cooperation,and if a conserted effort is made to attract the TCs in the diaspora back to Cyprus....Tim is right...TCs have much much more in common with the GCs than the mainland Turks...If by some miracle all GCs woke up tomorrow speaking Turkish (of Cypriot kind) and believing in Islam they would be indistinguishable from the real TCs post 1974...

As you say, remove most but not all of the settlers. This point has been hotly debated here before, but it is no longer realistic after 34 years to demand that all settlers leave. You have to remember that there has been intermarriage between Turkish Cypriots and mainland Turks, and also that some settler families are now in their third generation. Anatolian culture has by now established a firm foothold in the north of Cyprus.

Tim, what should be the criteria based on which some (not most as you say) settlers should not be removed?

[CBBB]

[It can be reserved only if a solution is found soon,which will remove most of the settlers,bring the TCs and GCs in close cooperation,and if a conserted effort is made to attract the TCs in the diaspora back to Cyprus....Tim is right...TCs have much much more in common with the GCs than the mainland Turks...If by some miracle all GCs woke up tomorrow speaking Turkish (of Cypriot kind) and believing in Islam they would be indistinguishable from the real TCs post 1974...

As you say, remove most but not all of the settlers. This point has been hotly debated here before, but it is no longer realistic after 34 years to demand that all settlers leave. You have to remember that there has been intermarriage between Turkish Cypriots and mainland Turks, and also that some settler families are now in their third generation. Anatolian culture has by now established a firm foothold in the north of Cyprus.

Tim, what should be the criteria based on which some (not most as you say) settlers should not be removed?

A good question, but we also have to answer the same question regarding the Pontians and possibly the "third country nationals" we have brought in to the RoC.

[coremax]

I believe Tim was referring to the criteria put forth by Nikitas in an earlier post.

"Those who married Cypriots stay because they have a legitimate claim to nationality.

Those who are considered as meriting residence because of long term residence, get residence, renewable every year, same as legal foreign residents of Turkey or any other country. They and their offspring do not get nationality.

The rest GO, with compensation or without, but they GO."

How do I quote from people on CF? anyone?

[BirKibrisli]

I believe Tim was referring to the criteria put forth by Nikitas in an earlier post.

"Those who married Cypriots stay because they have a legitimate claim to nationality.

Those who are considered as meriting residence because of long term residence, get residence, renewable every year, same as legal foreign residents of Turkey or any other country. They and their offspring do not get nationality.

The rest GO, with compensation or without, but they GO."

How do I quote from people on CF? anyone?

Do you see the "quote" button on the top right corner of every post,coremaX...Try clicking on that...

[coremax]

Ah, great, thanks - A newbie is always a newbie you know

[Tim Drayton]

[It can be reserved only if a solution is found soon,which will remove most of the settlers,bring the TCs and GCs in close cooperation,and if a conserted effort is made to attract the TCs in the diaspora back to Cyprus....Tim is right...TCs have much much more in common with the GCs than the mainland Turks...If by some miracle all GCs woke up tomorrow speaking Turkish (of Cypriot kind) and believing in Islam they would be indistinguishable from the real TCs post 1974...

As you say, remove most but not all of the settlers. This point has been hotly debated here before, but it is no longer realistic after 34 years to demand that all settlers leave. You have to remember that there has been intermarriage between Turkish Cypriots and mainland Turks, and also that some settler families are now in their third generation. Anatolian culture has by now established a firm foothold in the north of Cyprus.

Tim, what should be the criteria based on which some (not most as you say) settlers should not be removed?

I do not have a definitive answer, I am afraid. The moral argument for deporting somebody who was born in Cyprus and whose parents were also born in Cyprus on the grounds that the state whose passport they carry committed a war crime by bringing their grandparents to the island seems very weak to me.

[EPSILON]

Democracy will never take root in Turkey as long as the seige mentality of the Turkish people continues...The fear that the whole world is out to get Turkey is what fuels fanatical nationalism...Those of you who are relentlessly Turkey -bashing here are contributing to this fear and resentment against European style democracy...It is time to think outside the square, people...The Turkish mentality is really rather simple...Attack them and criticise them and they will respond with unity and with an iron fist...Praise them and stroke their egos,and they will give you the shirt off their backs...So the choice is yours...You might be getting your rocks off by trying to degrade Turkey and the Turks,but it will do nothing in reality to advance your/our cause...

Reminder: the year is 2008!!!!Either a country became democratic and participating in free world's values or its just matter of time to be dissapear.

[BirKibrisli]

Ah, great, thanks - A newbie is always a newbie you know

We were all newbies once,core...Enjoy your stay,and may it be long...

[BirKibrisli]

Democracy will never take root in Turkey as long as the seige mentality of the Turkish people continues...The fear that the whole world is out to get Turkey is what fuels fanatical nationalism...Those of you who are relentlessly Turkey -bashing here are contributing to this fear and resentment against European style democracy...It is time to think outside the square, people...The Turkish mentality is really rather simple...Attack them and criticise them and they will respond with unity and with an iron fist...Praise them and stroke their egos,and they will give you the shirt off their backs...So the choice is yours...You might be getting your rocks off by trying to degrade Turkey and the Turks,but it will do nothing in reality to advance your/our cause...

Reminder: the year is 2008!!!!Either a country became democratic and participating in free world's values or its just matter of time to be dissapear.

Not necessarilly,Epsilon...
China and Russia are far from being democratic,and they are doing fine....
One can include the USA as well...Do you think there is a country in the world where pure democracy is practised???? My point is and has always been,that if you want to get anywhere with the Turks better to use a softly softly approach...I am giving you the benefit of my inside information,take it or leave it....

[EPSILON]

Democracy will never take root in Turkey as long as the seige mentality of the Turkish people continues...The fear that the whole world is out to get Turkey is what fuels fanatical nationalism...Those of you who are relentlessly Turkey -bashing here are contributing to this fear and resentment against European style democracy...It is time to think outside the square, people...The Turkish mentality is really rather simple...Attack them and criticise them and they will respond with unity and with an iron fist...Praise them and stroke their egos,and they will give you the shirt off their backs...So the choice is yours...You might be getting your rocks off by trying to degrade Turkey and the Turks,but it will do nothing in reality to advance your/our cause...

Reminder: the year is 2008!!!!Either a country became democratic and participating in free world's values or its just matter of time to be dissapear.

Not necessarilly,Epsilon...
China and Russia are far from being democratic,and they are doing fine....
One can include the USA as well...Do you think there is a country in the world where pure democracy is practised???? My point is and has always been,that if you want to get anywhere with the Turks better to use a softly softly approach...I am giving you the benefit of my inside information,take it or leave it....

No thanks. I prefer my world than yours.Fyg i know both.!!!