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[Nikitas]

Turkish warships interfered with a ship exploring in the Exclusive Economic Zone off the south of Cyprus yesterday.

How was this a reaction to any perceived threat to Turkey or to the TCs and how would this behavior change by complimenting them?

If the Turks are so sensitive about their collective ego maybe they should undergo some soul searching and figure out how they got to be at odds with most of their neighbors and the world.

But instead the proposed course is for the world to change to accomodate the Turks. And Europe should change its qualifications to allow entry on terms different to those all the others had to endure. Somehow this idea does not seem fair or likely to take off.

[Jerry]

Turkey's faults are many, although some say only two ...

Yeah, everything they say and everything they do!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7737413.stm

I saw the program, curiously Cyprus was not even mentioned. Could it be that Turkey may be quietly backing away from Cyprus as Greece has done. Ankara has already told "TRNC" no more cash and given the world economic crisis perhaps it means it this time. Perhaps at last Turkey has realised that it "can't afford" to stay in Cyprus any longer will seek refuge in the EU. Is it simply fate that the global downturn and "last chance" talks have occured simultaneously- perhaps there is a God?

[Nikitas]

For Turkey Cyprus ghas a totally different strategic meaning than it has for Greece.

For Greece, with its purely European orientation, Cyprus is a burden. OUtright union of Cyprus with Greece will mean stretching mainland Greek defence capabilities to a dimension Greece is not ready to undertake.

For Turkey Cyprus is a conveninet means of extening its marine territory to most of the eastern Mediterranean. It is no accident that Turkey rejects outright the international law where it says that islands have their own continental shelf. The Turks consider that CYprus and all islands sit on the contiental shelf of Anatolia.

For this and other reasons Turkey will not let go of Cyprus. Perhaps now that it has a majority population of mainland Turks in northern Cyprus it does not need the TCs, but that is another story.

[Nikephoros]

Remember wire-tapping scandal? Basically the Turkish government cannot function without massive wiretaps. Every department of government spies on the other.The only reason that would necessary is because the government departments have no trust for each other. From birth every Sunni muslim Turk is a master of takiyye and lying, you can only imagine how much better at lying the highest ranking government officials in a muslim country have to be out of necessity to survive in their political envrionment. Their government would collapse without the massive spying and wire-tapping because what one government minister says even to the other is a lie, and the other knows it.

Also remember how it was revealed how the Turkish census was inaccurate by like five million people or so because each Turkish governor inflated the numbers for his province to get more central funds from Ankara.

Who can trust this rotten sunni muslim country? Not even the Turkish government can trust the Turkish government!

[turkkan]

More proof turks cant be trusted

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/wo ... 949890.ece

By DAVID LOWE

Published: 20 Nov 2008
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BEAMING as he cut the wedding cake with his bride, Osman Kose looked every inch the perfect husband.

But despite declaring his undying love for Patricia Bailey-Bosson, there was one detail she says the Turkish immigrant didn’t disclose to her — that he had no legal right to stay in Britain.

Devoted Patricia’s subsequent fight to keep him here put her £30,000 in debt.

In happier times ... Patricia and Osman on their wedding day

In happier times ... Patricia and Osman on their wedding day

Anita Maric/Newsteam.co.uk

But within two months of helping him to win the right to stay in the UK, Osman filed for divorce. He has since remarried a Turkish woman here.

Heartbroken Patricia, 46, feels betrayed by the softly spoken man who is ten years her junior and with whom she thought she would spend the rest of her life.

And she is angry that love-rat Osman is free to live the rest of his life in this country.

Sitting in the living room of her rented two-bedroom house in Stoke-on-Trent, Patricia says: “I can’t put into words how upset I am. I feel betrayed. How could he do this to another human being? When I heard he was an asylum seeker I thought, OK, so he’s lied and he’s trying to get into this country.

“I forked out thousands as we tried to get his status in the UK sorted, only for it to be thrown back in my face. The debts and worry have affected my health really badly. I’ve been to a neurologist for migraines which won’t go away and I’ve been off sick for six of the past 12 months.

“Immigration officials have told me nothing can be done to revoke his visa.”

Patricia first met Osman on the dance floor at the Queens nightclub in Newcastle-under-Lyme, Staffs, in August 2000.

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Six months earlier, she had split from her first husband and vowed never to marry again.

But there was something about Osman which Patricia found attractive and soon they had struck up a relationship.

She says: “He was good looking, inoffensive and unassuming. You’d think butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth. I suppose he was the opposite of my first husband, who was much louder and more assertive.

“He asked me for my telephone number and we had our first date at a Turkish restaurant in Hanley.

“At that stage there was no mention of him being an asylum seeker. When I asked him about living in the UK, he was very evasive. But back then his English wasn’t the best and you didn’t know if he fully understood the questions.”

As the relationship developed, Osman told Patricia they would have to marry or his strict Muslim family would force him to stop seeing her.

Despite initial reservations, Patricia gave in and they wed at Hanley register office on August 31, 2001.

But shortly after they returned from honeymoon in Devon — paid for by Patricia — Osman dropped the bombshell that he was an asylum seeker.

She says: “He revealed he came from Turkey in the back of a lorry. He said if he returned there his life would be under threat from terrorists in his home town Izmir.

“His residence in the UK was far from secure but I didn’t want to lose my husband and was blinded by love. So I decided to support him in gaining a UK permit.”

The following February Osman applied to stay in the UK. Patricia listened in court as he told of being tortured by Turkish terrorists and hiding in a truck heading for the UK. His application was rejected.

‘ How could anyone do this to another human being ’

But he was given time to appeal the court’s decision and in July 2002 their daughter Aleyna, now six, was born.

Patricia found herself stretched to cope with the physical and financial demands of a new child and their rented property.

Although Osman contributed £200 a month from work in a kebab shop, Patricia’s monthly £1,200 from nursing wasn’t enough to cover their outgoings.

Patricia resorted to piling debts on to her credit card. When an opportunity arose to get him a speedy UK marriage visa through the British Consulate General in Istanbul, she paid for that with plastic too.

Patricia says: “After Osman’s asylum application was turned down, we applied for a marriage visa through the Border and Immigration Agency in the UK.

“It means you can stay in the country as the spouse of a British citizen or someone with a right to live here. The application was taking forever. Then Osman heard the process would be quicker in Turkey.

“So in August 2003 we flew out to Istanbul and the visa was granted within a couple of weeks. Despite my mounting debt, I was delighted and flew back to the UK to get back to work, leaving Osman behind to catch up with his family.”

When Osman returned in October, Patricia noticed a change in his behaviour.

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She says: “He was suddenly very chauvinistic and expected me to be subservient.

Love rat ... family album shot of the man Patricia thought loved her

Love rat ... family album shot of the man Patricia thought loved her

Anita Maric/Newsteam.co.uk

“One night I came home from work and hadn’t even taken my shoes off when Osman asked what I was cooking for tea.

“When we had a massive row, he left and never came back.”

Although Osman moved out, he often called Patricia and promised they would sort out their differences.

He even sent birthday cards, wished her happy anniversary and promised he loved her.

Then in July 2006, Osman received final confirmation of his right to remain in the UK — and contact between them ended.

Two months later Patricia received a solicitor’s letter to say he was divorcing her. She says: “I had no idea it was coming. I cried my heart out.

“It was like being slapped on the face after all we had been through to get him established legally in the UK.

“When I told Osman I’d ring Immigration and explain what he had done, he laughed and said there was nothing they could do.

“And it’s true. He’s still here on our marriage visa and it’s totally legal.”

Patricia was forced to sell the home from her first marriage to pay off some of the £30,000 debt she accrued while supporting Osman.

Now she’s single and lives alone with their daughter who rarely sees her dad.

Patricia says: “Thank goodness I have Aleyna. She’s the only good thing to come out of that relationship.

“Meanwhile, I’ve vowed never to marry again. And this time, I’m sticking to it.”

When contacted by The Sun yesterday, Osman denied Patricia’s allegations.

He said: “She is lying. I told her I was an asylum seeker before we got married.

“I didn’t take any money off Patricia and I did contribute to the household.

“She didn’t pay for our flights to Turkey. I paid for everything. It is all totally wrong.

“When I came here in 2000, I got my National Insurance number straight away, so I was working. My relationship with Patricia wasn’t working out and it was a coincidence it broke down so soon after my leave to remain came through.

“I am now remarried to a Turkish woman and she also has the right to stay in the UK.

“I don’t regret anything.”

[Get Real!]

More proof turks cant be trusted

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/wo ... 949890.ece

Marriages of convenience happen all over the world from people of every less-privileged country.

[turkkan]

In england there seems to be an epidemic of british women marrying turks and getting duped. There is nothing 'of convenience here' as the woman got screwed over. Infact a womans magazine a few weeks ago even made its subscribers sign up to an oath that they would not sleep with young turks when on holiday in turkey for fear of being duped.

[turkkan]

A WOMEN’ magazine based in United Kingdom has asked its readers who are going to holiday in Turkey to sign a pledge, aimed at warning them of the “dangers of gigolos” in Turkey's tourist spots.

“Take a break”, the world's third largest women's magazine in sales with a circulation of approximately 1 million selling domestically and abroad, has astounded its readers with a pledge they published.

The magazine published a pledge that warns women, middle-aged or older who are going to take a vacation in Turkey about not getting conned by young Turkish men.

The pledge, supposedly signed by thousands of women, is composed of eight clauses with interesting statements such as, "I won't pay for grandmother's leaking roof or uncle's new kebab shop in Yorkshire."

From June to the end of September, the weekly magazine published repeated articles on British women, middle-aged or older, paying gigolos for sex while they were on holiday in Marmaris or Bodrum.

Some of these women were reportedly conned into falling in love with the gigolos, losing fortunes and ending their marriages.

The magazine featured articles on older women paying for love to young boys in Bodrum for five weeks. “Choosing Bodrum for sex-tourism,” and “Experience tango with Rambo,” are some of the titles from these articles which claimed that bartenders and gigolos at the bars and clubs of Bodrum are prostituting themselves for 18-40 pounds per hour or 100-250 per night.

As these articles aroused interest, Take a Break's issue dated Aug. 28 declared a boycott against “toyboys,” young men having intercourse with much older women.

The next issue dated Sept. 4, which included a two page story of 48-year-old Josie McClusky's claims of falling in love with a 25-year-old Turkish man whose lies caused the end of her marriage and the loss of her life savings, brought the “toy boy boycott” to another level.

The magazine published “the toyboy pledge” for middle aged or older women to sign before going to Turkey on holiday. The pledge was published a second time on Sept. 11.

‘I won't be mooning like a love struck schoolgirl”

After an “I”, the pledge's first lines are empty for the signatory to write her name. The first sentence reads, “…do hereby solemnly swear that while on holiday with my friends I will forsake being chatted up by any waiter/ bar boy/gigolo and, in the event of weakening, whether in drink or otherwise, will definitely not... ” The pledge's other humorous statements follow;

Believe any compliment, however ludicrous, that I must “be 21,” or “be with my mother” and that “my eyes must be stolen from the stars in heaven.”

Spend the rest of my holiday mooning about like a love struck schoolgirl over the aforementioned waiter/ bar boy/gigolo and boring everyone else to death with descriptions of his eyes/lips/hair/ or other less obvious attributes.

Decide to remain behind at the holiday resort in the belief that the waiter/ bar boy/gigolo is “different” to all the others, despite everyone else swearing he is far worse.

Choose to marry the aforementioned male immediately, in some incomprehensible wedding ceremony where I do not have a clue what is really going on and the rings are made of plastic.

Promise to give the aforementioned male my worldly goods, my life savings and credit cards, my home, regular income, child benefits/pension, while at his request, severing all links with my family, friends and past, in the belief I will henceforth live happily in a remote mountain village acting as servant/slave to his extended family and tending goats from dawn to dusk and sleeping on the bare ground.

Pay for aforementioned's mother's cancer treatment/grandmother's leaking roof/random relative's funeral/uncle's new kebab shop in Yorkshire, delete as applicable.

Spend a further five years fighting for aforementioned's rights to a visa before returning with him penniless to Britain.

Complain when aforementioned waiter/bar boy/gigolo dumps me for some younger model and occasionally calls me to declare his love and ask for money/car/clothes/sex.

It is claimed by magazine officials that the pledge had been signed by thousands of people.

What do you think? Do you agree with the pledge? Have you been conned by a gigolo in Didim? Have you married a much younger man in Didim and are still happily married? Tell us your stories by sending them to [email protected]

[Oracle]

@ turkkan

Kindly start another thread on "The Romantic habits of the Turk abroad" .... and leave this one for discussions on the democratic processes (or lack of) in Turkey!

[BirKibrisli]

Really Bir ... your evangelical worship of the Turkish psyche speaks volumes for your Turkish-worthiness. I suppose it is your true opinion and not what you feel you MUST say

Either they are like everybody else and so should abide by the same code as everyone else, or indeed they are so "different" as you suggest, and so should be treated differently, as special cases. How privileged in that case, then are we, to have such uniqueness as the pliable Turkish race amongst us! And with you Bir, providing a most illuminating and superior character reference for them.

The Turks are surely the yardstick of our humanity; a barometer of how civilised the rest of us are ..... the more we bend to their whims, the nicer they are. Dare we oppose such righteousness?

Oracle,you must know what they say about sarcasm and its relationship to one's level of wit...So I won't go there...

Stop exaggerating and distorting what I said...I have an insight to the Turkish mentality,and I am simply giving you the benefit of it..
Turks are no more special than any other nationality on earth..But they are different,like we all are,and if you want to deal with them effectively and profitably for your cause,best to take that into account..

They do not take kindly to insults or threats...That makes them more insular and less trusting....Hence suspicious and aggresive...Nothing to do with levels of humanity or degree of civility...Just a matter of social psychology...The best way to deal with people who have paranoid and self-aggrandisment tendencies is softly softly...That is all I am saying...