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President Sarkozy blasts President Karamanlis over Cyprus!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:20 am

Ταρακούνησε τον Καραμανλή ο Σαρκοζί

Αλλάξτε την και θα σας βοηθήσω, του είπε...

Στην πρόσφατη συνάντησή τους ο γάλλος Πρόεδρος Ν. Σαρκοζί έθεσε στον πρωθυπουργό Κ. Καραμανλή, σύμφωνα με αποκλειστικές μας πληροφορίες, ένα εξαιρετικά σοβαρό ζήτημα, το οποίο μάλιστα αποχτά ιδιαίτερη επικαιρότητα λόγω ραγδαίων εξελίξεων και στο Κυπριακό. Συγκεκριμένα ο Σαρκοζί επεσήμανε στον έλληνα πρωθυπουργό ότι:

• Η ελληνική εξωτερική πολιτική έναντι της Τουρκίας αποδείχτηκε ατελέσφορη, η Ελλάδα δεν κέρδισε κάτι απ’ αυτήν την επιλογή στήριξης της Τουρκίας και για την ΕΕ και για μια σειρά άλλων σημαντικών θεμάτων.

• Αν η Ελλάδα κάνει άλλη επιλογή και αποφασίσει αναπροσαρμογή της αντιμετώπισης της Τουρκίας, τότε θα έχει την αμέριστη στήριξη της Γαλλίας.

• Αν αυτό συμβεί, τότε θα επηρεαστούν σε θετική κατεύθυνση και οι εξελίξεις στο Κυπριακό.

Πρόκειται για μια ιδιαίτερα σημαντική παρέμβαση του γάλλου Προέδρου, αφού η Γαλλία έχει δείξει μια αξιοσημείωτη σταθερότητα στις θέσεις της έναντι της Τουρκίας, που είναι θέσεις οι οποίες εν τέλει εξυπηρετούν την Ελλάδα, αν φυσικά θελήσει να αποκοπεί από μια πολιτική κατευνασμού απ' την οποία δεν έχει μέχρι σήμερα κερδίσει τίποτα, μια πολιτική που εγκαινιάστηκε απ' τον Γ. Παπανδρέου και συνεχίζεται με… συνέπεια απ' την Ντ. Μπακογιάννη…


The above is a very interesting article. I apologise that it is in Greek.

However, the translation is as follows:

Change and we'll help you, Sarkozi told him ...

In its recent meeting the French President N. Sarkozy asked the Prime Minister Karamanlis, according to our proprietary information, an extremely serious issue, which even abstentions special events due to rapid developments in Cyprus. Sarkozy namely the Greek prime minister noted that:

• The Greek foreign policy towards Turkey proved ineffective, Greece has not won anything of this option support of Turkey and the EU and a number of other important issues.

• If Greece makes a choice and decide adaptation response to Turkey, then we will have the full support of France.

• If this happens, it will be affected in a positive direction and developments in Cyprus.

This is a very important speech by a French president since France has shown a remarkable stability in positions towards Turkey, which are positions which ultimately serve to Greece, although of course want to cut from a policy of appeasement of which there has so far won nothing, a policy initiated by George Papandreou and continues with ... effects of a Dick Bakoyannis ...


My apologies again for the inadequacies of the translation. The Google translation tool was used, and as you all know, these translation tools are not always the best.

The article basically talks about how French President Sarkozy lectured Greek President Karamanlis over his ineffective policies on Turkish relations. He told Karamanlis that his policies of reproachment with Turkey have achieved no results and that Greece should reconsider and perhaps take a more dogmatic approach against Turkey, in light of recent developments in Cyprus.

President Sarkozy also reiterated that France will support and stand by Greece should they decide to take a more dogmatic approach against Turkey's EU application. President Sarkozy also told President Karamanlis that this approach would also prove more fruitful and will bring more positive developments for Cyprus.

It is absolutely amazing how it has to take a French President (Bless Him :) ), to tell us that we have it all wrong and that we are causing damage to the Cyprus Problem. France has certainly proven to be a most loyal and sincere ally to both Greece and Cyprus and I believe it is about time we listen and observe more closely their stance towards Turkey.

This dressing down of President Karamanlis also indicates to us all, that Turkey's biggest obstacle for EU entry is the Cyprus Problem.

Viva La France! :D
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:33 am

Can you provide a date for this article? I have a hypothesis that Sarkozy has significantly toned down his rhetoric opposing Turkey's EU bid following this summer's adventure in Georgia. For this reason, I would be interested in knowing when Sarkozy made this statement.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:38 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Can you provide a date for this article? I have a hypothesis that Sarkozy has significantly toned down his rhetoric opposing Turkey's EU bid following this summer's adventure in Georgia. For this reason, I would be interested in knowing when Sarkozy made this statement.


I will try and find the source of the article. It was emailed to me today.

Unfortunately I have no link.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:42 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Can you provide a date for this article? I have a hypothesis that Sarkozy has significantly toned down his rhetoric opposing Turkey's EU bid following this summer's adventure in Georgia. For this reason, I would be interested in knowing when Sarkozy made this statement.


Date of article was 17 Nov 08.

And here is the link...

http://egersis.blogspot.com/2008/11/blog-post_1018.html

The real source of the article seems to be the following newspaper and is dated 16 Nov 08:

http://www.paron.gr/v3/

Very interesting article Tim. :D
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:14 pm

Very intersting indeed, if you would care to waste one grey cell over it. No wonder it was taken from an ultra nationalist, fascist web site.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:29 pm

Bananiot wrote:Very intersting indeed, if you would care to waste one grey cell over it. No wonder it was taken from an ultra nationalist, fascist web site.


The source of the article was from this newspaper.

http://www.paron.gr/v3/

The article was emailed to me by a Cyprus Lobby Group that is active within Australian Political circles.

I searched for a link by pasting the Greek text in www.google.gr and the first site that came was that blog, followed by www.paron.gr.

The mere fact that it was president Sarkozy who suggested that Greece should take a more dogmatic approach, is something that should be taken very seriously. Unless you are suggesting that President Sarkozy is an extremist fascist.

The other point is that France is standing by our side. So we are hardly weak when we have very powerful allies such as France.

Dismiss it at your own peril. But the fact is, these negotiations are hardly proving a success. Turkey is not compromising 1 inch despite our friendly approach. it is time to change tact, and return to past dogmatism. Turkey must be made to realise that her non cooperative stance towards finding a solution to the Cyprus Problem will come at a cost and this cost will be non EU membership.
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Postby karma » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:31 pm

The same France gov. blasted Greece in 1919 too, and the same French fleet kicked the poor Greek minority into the Aegean sea in 1922 in Smyrna , they dint even mind cutting the hands of the people who were trying to climb to their decks..
same dirty games again..welldone Sarkozy
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:37 pm

karma wrote:The same France gov. blasted Greece in 1919 too, and the same French fleet kicked the poor Greek minority into the Aegean sea in 1922 in Smyrna , they dint even mind cutting the hands of the people who were trying to climb to their decks..
same dirty games again..welldone Sarkozy


Karma,

It is now 2008. I seriously doubt you should be making any comparisons to 1919 for heavens sake.

Turkey did not seem too happy about the new Cyprus - France Defence Pact. :D

http://news.pseka.net/index.php?module=article&id=6557

Sarkozy is proving to be a visionary and a most excellent statesman for France.

:D
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Postby karma » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:40 pm

Paphitis wrote:
karma wrote:The same France gov. blasted Greece in 1919 too, and the same French fleet kicked the poor Greek minority into the Aegean sea in 1922 in Smyrna , they dint even mind cutting the hands of the people who were trying to climb to their decks..
same dirty games again..welldone Sarkozy


Karma,

It is now 2008. I seriously doubt you should be making any comparisons to 1919 for heavens sake.

Turkey did not seem too happy about the new Cyprus - France Defence Pact. :D

http://news.pseka.net/index.php?module=article&id=6557

history = repetition :(

Sarkozy is proving to be a visionary and a most excellent statesman for France.

:D


HISTORY=REPETITION
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Postby Oracle » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:50 pm

karma wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
karma wrote:The same France gov. blasted Greece in 1919 too, and the same French fleet kicked the poor Greek minority into the Aegean sea in 1922 in Smyrna , they dint even mind cutting the hands of the people who were trying to climb to their decks..
same dirty games again..welldone Sarkozy


Karma,

It is now 2008. I seriously doubt you should be making any comparisons to 1919 for heavens sake.

Turkey did not seem too happy about the new Cyprus - France Defence Pact. :D

http://news.pseka.net/index.php?module=article&id=6557

history = repetition :(

Sarkozy is proving to be a visionary and a most excellent statesman for France.

:D


HISTORY=REPETITION


Should we endlessly punish Turkey for all her transgressions of the last 500 years?
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