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[BlackBolt]

For instance, I said that the TRNC operate internationally like the Republic of Turkey and Northern Cyprus, seeing that we fly to Ercan North Cyprus, we post our letters as Mersin 10, Turkey and etc. Obviously this truth is too much for the GCs to take in as it's obviously a reality, thus they resort to ridicule and condescending remarks, sometimes showing real anger and blasting foul comments. Although I am not surprised by their attitude, I was at least expecting a few to ask - are you happy with this scenario and how could we help you?

A significant number of us (I wont say 'all of us') don't care if you're happy or not and we really have no reason to 'help you' any more than we already do. It's not like you ever show any good will in return. We don't actually give a toss whether you live or die because we're not interested in you, we just want what's ours returned to us. The Turks probably don't care either as they have plenty of settlers to replace you with.

The GCs need to understand that there is a non-practical dream world where they own the island as the ROC - hijacked after 1974, and an island consisting of two states! They could at least argue perhaps the practical goings on on the island, like them having to use their Passport to cross over the border, and how we could perhaps work on a state by state Partnership basis, but this is obviously asking them too much. They suddenly blast words like - invasion, occupation and etc.

If these were true, do you not think there would have been an inter TRNC war by now! Obviously the GCs don't realise how close we TCs are to Turkey.

Hmm an inter-TRNC war eh? Now who would win that? The Turks with their 40,000 army and thousands of settlers ready to carve you puppets up and take the stolen properties for themselves; or the 'TCs'... with what you've got... hmmm... it's the Turks innit?

We all know very well how 'close' you are to Turkey. You're bent over infront of them saying 'thank you very much'.

The GCs can ignore the realities all they like and even continue with their foul remarks against my postings

Thanks very much, will do.

The Ottoman Turks had the island from 1571 to 1878 - and then formed a Partnership republic in 1960 due to a Terrorising GC nation against British rule

The Ottoman Turks formed the Republic in 1960? It's not me that needs a new history book. I suggest you get one that wasn't printed in Turkey. Sort it out Zan, this is crap even for you.

[Get Real!]

Byron,

For a person having access to official EU documents then you should have no trouble looking up the Cyprus budget and its tax base. Cyprus is not only tourism, as you said.

Cyprus has a developed and sophisticated services sector which includes banking, insurance, shipping, and management services. It also has an advanced agricultural exonomy.

On the agricultural economy sector it is interesting to compare Cyprus to Greece. Greeks are still trying to set up a decent cooperative system to market their products within Greece. Successive governments have failed to break the stranglehold of the "lahanogorites" mob and their market manipulation. The CYprus cooperative movement is among the most sophisticated and well organized in the world.

I was born in Cyprus too, and have been living in Greece since 1975. And I have access to official EU documents, if that is relevant.

If you do not mind, I do not wish to pursue your argument further . Let's just leave it at that. Thank you.

Yes, Nikitas can be so rude sometimes exposing dirty laundry...

[Get Real!]

Byron:

May be you are referring to the Kink of Piedmont, I don't know

No, I'm sure it was the Prince of Perverts

Very sorry Serious discussion Me just being silly
.......... but it did read funnily

Even Observer has gone bonkers lately...

[MrH]

Blackbolt,

So, that agreed then - we don't agree, like how Talat and Christofias will eventually NOT agree.

Why waste more time - let's agree to Partition the island then!!

[Get Real!]

I don't think so mate - those properties originally belonged tot he Ottomans prior to 1878 -

Interesting… so where did the Ottomans get this land from? Was it a red light special at Woolworths?

[alexISS]

Yes, Nikitas can be so rude sometimes exposing dirty laundry...

Nikitas gives credit for Cyprus' EU Entry to a single man, Yiannos Kranidiotes, without mentioning that he was the FM of Greece (not Cyprus) and was using Greek diplomatic resources, nor does he mention the fact that Greece was on the brink of isolation within the EU, after threatening to veto the entry of all other countries if Cyprus was not accepted. Without Greece Cyprus would not be in the EU, period

[Get Real!]

Yes, Nikitas can be so rude sometimes exposing dirty laundry...

Nikitas gives credit for Cyprus' EU Entry to a single man, Yiannos Kranidiotes, without mentioning that he was the FM of Greece (not Cyprus) and was using Greek diplomatic resources, nor does he mention the fact that Greece was on the brink of isolation within the EU, after threatening to veto the entry of all other countries if Cyprus was not accepted. Without Greece Cyprus would not be in the EU, period

I'll let Nikitas fight his own battles...

[Oracle]

Blackbolt,

So, that agreed then - we don't agree, like how Talat and Christofias will eventually NOT agree.

Why waste more time - let's agree to Partition the island then!!

I think you'll find the deal is that if there is no Agreement ... then the EU kicks you (Turks) out!

[alexISS]

I don't think so mate - those properties originally belonged tot he Ottomans prior to 1878 -

Interesting… so where did the Ottomans get this land from? Was it a red light special at Woolworths?

Even during Ottoman times, the Greek Cypriots owned most of the land. Apparently some Turks still have a hard time understanding the difference between private property and state territory

[MrH]

Oracle

I think you'll find the deal is that if there is no Agreement ... then the EU kicks you (Turks) out!

The EU couldn't even sort out the Yugoslavian conflict, forget about trying to sort out Turkey and Northern Cyprus. Please, Please, Please see it the way it is - the status quo is what the UK is hoping for as it solidifies their need for two sovereign bases on the island. A solution in Cyprus will never happen, not unless the GC administration calls our bluff and suddenly agrees to a Two State formula.

Turkey will obviously never give up on its hold on Northern Cyprus because of too many interests that far exceeds any advantage the EU can give it! The amount of land and sea Turkey has exposure to is one of them - look at the recent Oil Exploration issue - how confusing is that for the EU to deal with; at first they allow an unresolved island into the EU, The refuse to life the isolation of Northern Cyprus, they take sides with Greece and GCs on all issues and now they are having issue with Turkish claims around the island as a guarantor power of the entire island according to the 1960 treaty - WHY? Because there is no Solution.

The EU have seriously dug a deep grave, and I believe the GCs will feel the brunt of it - you have been living a Good Life for tooooooo longggggg. It's time to face the reality - you are a partner of the island - only, nothing more!