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[Byron]

I will try to give an explanation as to my earlier comment, but firstly I would like to say that there are a number of people on this forum who do not understand history very well.

The person who says that Ellas has no feelings for Cyprus is a complete fool, Ellas means unity of the Greek speaking race world wide !!!
To say that Greece rejected Cyprus twice is partly true 1878 and 1915. because it was firstly trying to unite the mainland. In fact Crete was excluded from this first phase. Greece was offered Cyprus a third time by the British during WW2 but Britain as always did not honour its pledge.

Regarding my comment, it is clear that the TURKS continue to stall negotiations because it is not in their interests to see a united Independent Cyprus along the lines of the existing Republic. Therefore we have two alternatives 1) fight and try to throw them out or find a solution. I don't think option one is feasable for a number of reasons so the only alternative is an aimicable solution. Given that the Turks will never give up their Turkish identify we Greek Cypriots have a choice. I don't think that we can survive without financial aid. Where do you think all the money has come from that has increased the current wealth in cyprus ! Surely not from just tourism or our wonderful exports. It has come from aid and mostly from GREECE and yes Greek Cypriots living throughout the world, London, Melbourne, Geneva, Paris etc.... And by the way the only reason Cyprus got into the EU was thanks to Greece. So we need to unite with Greece in a full and transparent way not only when we need them.

The point of Sicily (and the region of Trentino Alto Adige), for those of you who do not know , it is part of the Italian republic but governed autonomously. We could be part of Greece but governed independently. It is another way of viewing the original guarantor settlement of the 1960 Republic of Cyprus.

So,Now it is ENOSIS Sicilian style...
Someone related to Garibaldi once said something like "For things to stay the same,things will have to change..."
We can turn that around now,Byron...
"For things to change,things will have to stay the same...."
Fast forward to the past...

Your comments are silly and non progressive.
What do you mean Enosis Sicilian Style, what about Trentino ? Garibaldi had no relatives you just made that up ! What do you mean be clear "

Sorry,My Lord...TCs of my generation tend to go a bit silly (at the very least) when they hear the word ENOSIS....(I grew up in Cyprus in the 50s!)...There is nothing "Progressive" about Enosis in this day and age...But it was you who mentioned Cyprus,Sicilian solution,and ENOSIS all in the same paragraph...You are the one who should do some explaining...

Somebody somehow associated with Garibaldi did say what I quoted when Garibaldi marched on to face the King of Italy,or maybe it was the King who said it,anyway the word ENOSIS did mess up my brain again,so I am not sure...
And please,Byron,I have enough trouble coping with the doings of Garibaldi,don't introduce this Trentino business unless you are going to explain it....

As I had mentioned previously, you made up the quote on Garibaldi, if you cannot remember who said something you should not quote it. Furthermore Garibaldi never marched to the King of Italy- There was no King of Italy until after Italian unification. May be you are referring to the Kink of Piedmont, I don't know !

[Byron]

The person who says that Ellas has no feelings for Cyprus is a complete fool, Ellas means unity of the Greek speaking race world wide !!!

A complete fool is he who assumes that Hellas means "unity" at time of war against Turkey.

What war are you talking about ? Is Cyprus still at war ? I have not been called up, what war ? Stop playing with words.

Where have you been? Ever heard of the demarcation line? Well, it’s actually a CEASEFIRE line!

Do you hate Hellenism so much, what are you a Turk !

No, a REAL Cypriot so I hate both Greece and Turkey with plenty of passion...

Where were you in 1974 ! probably not born, I suppose.

Do you know what your problem is... you suppose too much and verify very little and I have a gut feeling you won't last long posting on the CF...

Are you eluding that he is going to be another GR! victim.

You better think again, because I do not think people take too kindly to being bullied off CF, especially by a foul mouthed person such as yourself.

Learn some respect, and allow people to express their opinion.

@ BYRON

Welcome to CF.

Thank you very kindly for your intervention. I joined this forum hoping to make a contribution and to exchange ideas and opinions but after two days on this forum, I am beginning to have second thoughts.

Many thanks once again.

[observer]

Byron:

May be you are referring to the Kink of Piedmont, I don't know

No, I'm sure it was the Prince of Perverts

Very sorry Serious discussion Me just being silly
.......... but it did read funnily

[MrH]

Byron said:

Thank you very kindly for your intervention. I joined this forum hoping to make a contribution and to exchange ideas and opinions but after two days on this forum, I am beginning to have second thoughts.

Contribution! Ha Ha - This forum is flood by GCs who do nothing but discredit all that's said by any TC choosing to protect the "Partnership" agreement in Cyprus. If your comments are about Bi-zonal, Confederal, Partnership rights and etc, etc, the GCs will immediately jump on your tail and brand you a fool.

Unfortunately for them, they, for some weird reason, believe that the Cyprus issue is solved and they are the only owners of the island. They refuse a Two State deal, and only want TCs under a GC Dominated government with only minority rights.

They somehow believe that we will entrust them with our lives, live as one, love, peace and grow vegs together! How blinded they are. Cyprus is an island in CONFLICT, an island with TWO peoples, TWO nations, Dual Soveriegnty and needs a whole lot of talking.......!!!!!!

[Byron]

Byron said:

Thank you very kindly for your intervention. I joined this forum hoping to make a contribution and to exchange ideas and opinions but after two days on this forum, I am beginning to have second thoughts.

Contribution! Ha Ha - This forum is flood by GCs who do nothing but discredit all that's said by any TC choosing to protect the "Partnership" agreement in Cyprus. If your comments are about Bi-zonal, Confederal, Partnership rights and etc, etc, the GCs will immediately jump on your tail and brand you a fool.

Unfortunately for them, they, for some weird reason, believe that the Cyprus issue is solved and they are the only owners of the island. They refuse a Two State deal, and only want TCs under a GC Dominated government with only minority rights.

They somehow believe that we will entrust them with our lives, live as one, love, peace and grow vegs together! How blinded they are. Cyprus is an island in CONFLICT, an island with TWO peoples, TWO nations, Dual Soveriegnty and needs a whole lot of talking.......!!!!!!

What is your proposal then ?

[Nikitas]

Byron,

For a person having access to official EU documents then you should have no trouble looking up the Cyprus budget and its tax base. Cyprus is not only tourism, as you said.

Cyprus has a developed and sophisticated services sector which includes banking, insurance, shipping, and management services. It also has an advanced agricultural exonomy.

On the agricultural economy sector it is interesting to compare Cyprus to Greece. Greeks are still trying to set up a decent cooperative system to market their products within Greece. Successive governments have failed to break the stranglehold of the "lahanogorites" mob and their market manipulation. The CYprus cooperative movement is among the most sophisticated and well organized in the world.

I was born in Cyprus too, and have been living in Greece since 1975. And I have access to official EU documents, if that is relevant.

[Byron]

Byron,

For a person having access to official EU documents then you should have no trouble looking up the Cyprus budget and its tax base. Cyprus is not only tourism, as you said.

Cyprus has a developed and sophisticated services sector which includes banking, insurance, shipping, and management services. It also has an advanced agricultural exonomy.

On the agricultural economy sector it is interesting to compare Cyprus to Greece. Greeks are still trying to set up a decent cooperative system to market their products within Greece. Successive governments have failed to break the stranglehold of the "lahanogorites" mob and their market manipulation. The CYprus cooperative movement is among the most sophisticated and well organized in the world.

I was born in Cyprus too, and have been living in Greece since 1975. And I have access to official EU documents, if that is relevant.

If you do not mind, I do not wish to pursue your argument further . Let's just leave it at that. Thank you.

[BlackBolt]

Byron said:

Thank you very kindly for your intervention. I joined this forum hoping to make a contribution and to exchange ideas and opinions but after two days on this forum, I am beginning to have second thoughts.

Contribution! Ha Ha - This forum is flood by GCs who do nothing but discredit all that's said by any TC choosing to protect the "Partnership" agreement in Cyprus. If your comments are about Bi-zonal, Confederal, Partnership rights and etc, etc, the GCs will immediately jump on your tail and brand you a fool.

Unfortunately for them, they, for some weird reason, believe that the Cyprus issue is solved and they are the only owners of the island. They refuse a Two State deal, and only want TCs under a GC Dominated government with only minority rights.

They somehow believe that we will entrust them with our lives, live as one, love, peace and grow vegs together! How blinded they are. Cyprus is an island in CONFLICT, an island with TWO peoples, TWO nations, Dual Soveriegnty and needs a whole lot of talking.......!!!!!!

You forgot to mention that some of us want to exterminate your poor long-suffering people that are all alone in your stolen properties without a friend in the world except the Turks and Americans so you desperately need to legitimise your puppet state or else it's just not fair and you'll cry. Boo hoo hoo.

But all jokes aside, you really shouldn't be forgetting the extermination thing, (it's very important) though I suppose you know it better as 'genocide'. You remember, like that thing you pretend didn't happen to the Armenians.

[MrH]

Hi Byron,

Thanks,

I would suggest, and according to the name given to such an important forum and read by many, it be monitored and foul comments and postings removed!

All discussions be based on not condemning other people's proposals by ganging up on them and then using foul-language, but to seek a meaningful explanation to their madness (suggestions).

For instance, I said that the TRNC operate internationally like the Republic of Turkey and Northern Cyprus, seeing that we fly to Ercan North Cyprus, we post our letters as Mersin 10, Turkey and etc. Obviously this truth is too much for the GCs to take in as it's obviously a reality, thus they resort to ridicule and condescending remarks, sometimes showing real anger and blasting foul comments. Although I am not surprised by their attitude, I was at least expecting a few to ask - are you happy with this scenario and how could we help you?

The GCs need to understand that there is a non-practical dream world where they own the island as the ROC - hijacked after 1974, and an island consisting of two states! They could at least argue perhaps the practical goings on on the island, like them having to use their Passport to cross over the border, and how we could perhaps work on a state by state Partnership basis, but this is obviously asking them too much. They suddenly blast words like - invasion, occupation and etc.

If these were true, do you not think there would have been an inter TRNC war by now! Obviously the GCs don't realise how close we TCs are to Turkey.

The GCs can ignore the realities all they like and even continue with their foul remarks against my postings, but the realities of the island have been in place since 1974! They need to stop dreaming up scenarios and start talking business, start talking about a solution based on Two States!

[MrH]

BlackBolt

"Stolen Properties!"

I don't think so mate - those properties originally belonged tot he Ottomans prior to 1878 - you need to dig up your history, or decide, like what most GCs do, which part you want to refer to or how far you want to go back.

The Ottoman Turks had the island from 1571 to 1878 - and then formed a Partnership republic in 1960 due to a Terrorising GC nation against British rule - Oops, I wonder which side Britain is really on, Ooops again, the British play against your wishes as a unification deal will mean bye bye to their bases - in other words, there is no solution!

The Status Quo is real!

Wake up fool.