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[Byron]

"I read the official EU documents "

And how do these document cover the internal political clash that went on in both Greece and Cyprus regarding EU entry?

Are you implying that both Greece and Cyprus are falsifying their budgets to hide their defence spending? Last time I looked Cyprus had earmarked some hundreds of millions of pounds for defence spending. Modern weapons and serious anti aircraft capability were acquired by the National Guard only when Cyprus took over the whole financial burden of defence.

You need to check your sources more carefully. And one more question, have you ever been to Cyprus?

Only delegated people read the official documents. I doubt whether you even know where to find them. You still have not answered my question, where does Cyprus get its income to pay for its defence. It cannot be just from the Greek Cypriot taxpayers as the money will not be enough !!!

I was born in Cyprus, but had to leave it as a refugee in 1974 !
What about you ?

[Get Real!]

where does Cyprus get its income to pay for its defence. It cannot be just from the Greek Cypriot taxpayers as the money will not be enough !!!

Cyprus makes around 25b p/a yet had only spent $280 million in 2005!

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ending.htm

[Byron]

where does Cyprus get its income to pay for its defence. It cannot be just from the Greek Cypriot taxpayers as the money will not be enough !!!

Cyprus makes around 25b p/a yet had only spent $280 million in 2005!

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ending.htm

Glad to see that you have moderated your language.

The web site you have quoted is not an official site so the figures do not really mean much. I cant see what arms, tanks, planes and warships you can buy with $280m. If what you are saying is true then Cyprus does not require Greece to support it in the event of military confrontation in Cyprus. Is that correct?
Because Cyprus has bought all the equipment it needs to go it alone.

[Get Real!]

where does Cyprus get its income to pay for its defence. It cannot be just from the Greek Cypriot taxpayers as the money will not be enough !!!

Cyprus makes around 25b p/a yet had only spent $280 million in 2005!

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ending.htm

Glad to see that you have moderated your language.

Moderated my language?

The web site you have quoted is not an official site so the figures do not really mean much. I cant see what arms, tanks, planes and warships you can buy with $280m.

Forget jets and warships, just tanks, AFCs, APCs, artillery, mortars, S2A, attack choppers, etc, and it’s not like they have to buy everything from scratch every year.

If what you are saying is true then Cyprus does not require Greece to support it in the event of military confrontation in Cyprus. Is that correct?

If what that I said is true?

Because Cyprus has bought all the equipment it needs to go it alone.

That's all relative... go it alone to do what exactly?

[Get Real!]

The person who says that Ellas has no feelings for Cyprus is a complete fool, Ellas means unity of the Greek speaking race world wide !!!

A complete fool is he who assumes that Hellas means "unity" at time of war against Turkey.

What war are you talking about ? Is Cyprus still at war ? I have not been called up, what war ? Stop playing with words.

Where have you been? Ever heard of the demarcation line? Well, it’s actually a CEASEFIRE line!

Do you hate Hellenism so much, what are you a Turk !

No, a REAL Cypriot so I hate both Greece and Turkey with plenty of passion...

Where were you in 1974 ! probably not born, I suppose.

Do you know what your problem is... you suppose too much and verify very little and I have a gut feeling you won't last long posting on the CF...

[Paphitis]

The person who says that Ellas has no feelings for Cyprus is a complete fool, Ellas means unity of the Greek speaking race world wide !!!

A complete fool is he who assumes that Hellas means "unity" at time of war against Turkey.

What war are you talking about ? Is Cyprus still at war ? I have not been called up, what war ? Stop playing with words.

Where have you been? Ever heard of the demarcation line? Well, it’s actually a CEASEFIRE line!

Do you hate Hellenism so much, what are you a Turk !

No, a REAL Cypriot so I hate both Greece and Turkey with plenty of passion...

Where were you in 1974 ! probably not born, I suppose.

Do you know what your problem is... you suppose too much and verify very little and I have a gut feeling you won't last long posting on the CF...

Are you eluding that he is going to be another GR! victim.

You better think again, because I do not think people take too kindly to being bullied off CF, especially by a foul mouthed person such as yourself.

Learn some respect, and allow people to express their opinion.

@ BYRON

Welcome to CF.

[Get Real!]

Are you eluding that he is going to be another GR! victim.

You better think again, because I do not think people take too kindly to being bullied off CF, especially by a foul mouthed person such as yourself.

Learn some respect, and allow people to express their opinion.

The theory is very simple…the more you ASSUME the more you’ll be corrected and even disgraced over so then it’s just a matter of how much punishment you can take with respect to time...

Of course having the right buddies on your side helps heaps especially when much of your input is crap which explains why you lasted this long…

[BirKibrisli]

I will try to give an explanation as to my earlier comment, but firstly I would like to say that there are a number of people on this forum who do not understand history very well.

The person who says that Ellas has no feelings for Cyprus is a complete fool, Ellas means unity of the Greek speaking race world wide !!!
To say that Greece rejected Cyprus twice is partly true 1878 and 1915. because it was firstly trying to unite the mainland. In fact Crete was excluded from this first phase. Greece was offered Cyprus a third time by the British during WW2 but Britain as always did not honour its pledge.

Regarding my comment, it is clear that the TURKS continue to stall negotiations because it is not in their interests to see a united Independent Cyprus along the lines of the existing Republic. Therefore we have two alternatives 1) fight and try to throw them out or find a solution. I don't think option one is feasable for a number of reasons so the only alternative is an aimicable solution. Given that the Turks will never give up their Turkish identify we Greek Cypriots have a choice. I don't think that we can survive without financial aid. Where do you think all the money has come from that has increased the current wealth in cyprus ! Surely not from just tourism or our wonderful exports. It has come from aid and mostly from GREECE and yes Greek Cypriots living throughout the world, London, Melbourne, Geneva, Paris etc.... And by the way the only reason Cyprus got into the EU was thanks to Greece. So we need to unite with Greece in a full and transparent way not only when we need them.

The point of Sicily (and the region of Trentino Alto Adige), for those of you who do not know , it is part of the Italian republic but governed autonomously. We could be part of Greece but governed independently. It is another way of viewing the original guarantor settlement of the 1960 Republic of Cyprus.

So,Now it is ENOSIS Sicilian style...
Someone related to Garibaldi once said something like "For things to stay the same,things will have to change..."
We can turn that around now,Byron...
"For things to change,things will have to stay the same...."
Fast forward to the past...

Your comments are silly and non progressive.
What do you mean Enosis Sicilian Style, what about Trentino ? Garibaldi had no relatives you just made that up ! What do you mean be clear "

Sorry,My Lord...TCs of my generation tend to go a bit silly (at the very least) when they hear the word ENOSIS....(I grew up in Cyprus in the 50s!)...There is nothing "Progressive" about Enosis in this day and age...But it was you who mentioned Cyprus,Sicilian solution,and ENOSIS all in the same paragraph...You are the one who should do some explaining...

Somebody somehow associated with Garibaldi did say what I quoted when Garibaldi marched on to face the King of Italy,or maybe it was the King who said it,anyway the word ENOSIS did mess up my brain again,so I am not sure...
And please,Byron,I have enough trouble coping with the doings of Garibaldi,don't introduce this Trentino business unless you are going to explain it....

[BirKibrisli]

I think you need to read history a bit more carefully.
The entry of Cyprus into the EU was basically one man's dream and effort, the late Yannos Kranidiotis whose hardest job was to convince Greece and Cyprus that EU entry was a positive development. It was an uphill battle to get both governments to commit to this policy and go against US advice. Read up on it in Greek papers of the 90s.



Now Cyprus pays for its own defence too without external aid.

How does it pay its own defence ?? With tourism !

Expats may keep some of their money in Cyprus, but this is not aid, this is self serving money movement.

When you propose the Sicilian model do you intend it to include TCs?
Have you asked them if they want any part of that?

You are neglecting a long term strategy that Turkey initiated post war and this involves redrafting the treaty of Lausanne. Turkey wants a huge chunk of the easter Mediterranean for itself. Cyprus is an incidental problem not the end game. Unless Turkey is convinced to change this strategic goal we will have problems, and so will her other neighbors in the area- Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Israel though the latter are too powerful to accept any bullshit. Turkey has already implicitly disputed the continental shelf and Exclusive Economic Zones of all these countries when it asserted that Cyprus has no continental shelf.

I do not need to read the newspapers, I read the official EU documents

How does Cyprus pay for its own defence? With tourism !

We have poured millions into Cyprus !!!

I already replied that the Turks do not wish to be part of any GREEK settlement.

This is another discussion , not neglect on my part !

Why on earth should the Turks wish to be part of any GREEK settlement????I know some Turkish Cypriots who want to be part of a CYPRUS settlement...Does that count????

[Byron]

I think you need to read history a bit more carefully.
The entry of Cyprus into the EU was basically one man's dream and effort, the late Yannos Kranidiotis whose hardest job was to convince Greece and Cyprus that EU entry was a positive development. It was an uphill battle to get both governments to commit to this policy and go against US advice. Read up on it in Greek papers of the 90s.



Now Cyprus pays for its own defence too without external aid.

How does it pay its own defence ?? With tourism !

Expats may keep some of their money in Cyprus, but this is not aid, this is self serving money movement.

When you propose the Sicilian model do you intend it to include TCs?
Have you asked them if they want any part of that?

You are neglecting a long term strategy that Turkey initiated post war and this involves redrafting the treaty of Lausanne. Turkey wants a huge chunk of the easter Mediterranean for itself. Cyprus is an incidental problem not the end game. Unless Turkey is convinced to change this strategic goal we will have problems, and so will her other neighbors in the area- Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Israel though the latter are too powerful to accept any bullshit. Turkey has already implicitly disputed the continental shelf and Exclusive Economic Zones of all these countries when it asserted that Cyprus has no continental shelf.

I do not need to read the newspapers, I read the official EU documents

How does Cyprus pay for its own defence? With tourism !

We have poured millions into Cyprus !!!

I already replied that the Turks do not wish to be part of any GREEK settlement.

This is another discussion , not neglect on my part !

Why on earth should the Turks wish to be part of any GREEK settlement????I know some Turkish Cypriots who want to be part of a CYPRUS settlement...Does that count????

That is exactly what I said, " do not wish to be part " maybe you have trouble understanding English !