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[Nikitas]

VP,

When in doubt always go back to fundamentals, this was the advice given by a law professor at the university of London.

Well, the fundamentals of a nation state are two- its people and its territory. The TRNC has neither. Its people are diminishing by the day, to be replaced by non Cypriots who owe allegiance to another country.

The TRNC does not control its territory, in fact it has no territory, because territorial control is held by a foreign army the command center of which is in another country.

The third, but less important constituent is international recognition, which is missing and will not change the first two essentials in any case. The only way out for the TCs is a solution which works.

[Kifeas]

“Peki” Vp, “peki!” Whatever you say! Keep going on with this same rhetoric, without change, and you will see a good “hayir” and an even better “yarar!”

[Viewpoint]

VP,

When in doubt always go back to fundamentals, this was the advice given by a law professor at the university of London.

Well, the fundamentals of a nation state are two- its people and its territory. The TRNC has neither. Its people are diminishing by the day, to be replaced by non Cypriots who owe allegiance to another country.

The TRNC does not control its territory, in fact it has no territory, because territorial control is held by a foreign army the command center of which is in another country.

The third, but less important constituent is international recognition, which is missing and will not change the first two essentials in any case. The only way out for the TCs is a solution which works.

Or official enosis with Turkey or agreed partition, there are always option which yo seem to disregard as they do not fit in with what you want to create a GC state run by GCs, we want an effective say in our future not a symbolic minority arrangement where we are left to the mercy of GCs who have shown they are inacple of treating TCs as equals, safeguards are vital to ensure both sides know exactly where they stand should we decide to unite.

[Viewpoint]

“Peki” Vp, “peki!” Whatever you say! Keep going on with this same rhetoric, without change, and you will see a good “hayir” and an even better “yarar!”

We cannot just roll over and die Kifeas because you say so we have fears and concerns we will not be pushed to one side. We are the partners you have to strike a deal with and our say so carries just as much weight as yours, its time you realized this fact and acted accordingly.

[Byron]

I am quite surprised to read some of the comments regarding enosis.
The island of Cyprus has hellenic roots dating back thousand of years. It was natural for Cyprus during the Ottaman oppression to join the cause for indepedence which all Hellenes were fighting for.

The fact that Cyprus never managed to join Greece politically is for the history books. Without doubt no greek Cypriot can say he is not Hellenic because that is our culture, our language our religion and our belief. Firstly we are Hellenes secondly we are Cypriots or Greek Cypriots.

In the modern terminology Enosis can mean many things, it can be political or cultural. I am still not clear what most " Cypriots" really wish for and I believe that that is the main problem to encounter. Given that Turkey has been occupying Cyprus for 34 years, we need to find a solution to ensure both communities can live together in harmony. Since most Turkish Cypriots wish to remain within the security of Turkey, Greek Cypriots can either go it alone and remain independent in which case sooner or later the money will run out or it can find a solution along the lines of Sicily. If not in 100 years time we shall still be trying to find a solution. When the other side does not wish to collaborate, you can either force the issue or you modify your proposals. Blaming the past will never solve anything.

Byron

[BirKibrisli]

I am quite surprised to read some of the comments regarding enosis.
The island of Cyprus has hellenic roots dating back thousand of years. It was natural for Cyprus during the Ottaman oppression to join the cause for indepedence which all Hellenes were fighting for.

The fact that Cyprus never managed to join Greece politically is for the history books. Without doubt no greek Cypriot can say he is not Hellenic because that is our culture, our language our religion and our belief. Firstly we are Hellenes secondly we are Cypriots or Greek Cypriots.

In the modern terminology Enosis can mean many things, it can be political or cultural. I am still not clear what most " Cypriots" really wish for and I believe that that is the main problem to encounter. Given that Turkey has been occupying Cyprus for 34 years, we need to find a solution to ensure both communities can live together in harmony. Since most Turkish Cypriots wish to remain within the security of Turkey, Greek Cypriots can either go it alone and remain independent in which case sooner or later the money will run out or it can find a solution along the lines of Sicily. If not in 100 years time we shall still be trying to find a solution. When the other side does not wish to collaborate, you can either force the issue or you modify your proposals. Blaming the past will never solve anything.

Byron

Welcome to our Forum,Byron...
Can you expand on the bold bits above...Why should the money run out???? And what is the Sicily solution???? Thanks...

[Get Real!]

We cannot just roll over and die Kifeas because you say so....

Can you please try?

[Oracle]

I am quite surprised to read some of the comments regarding enosis.
The island of Cyprus has hellenic roots dating back thousand of years. It was natural for Cyprus during the Ottaman oppression to join the cause for indepedence which all Hellenes were fighting for.

The fact that Cyprus never managed to join Greece politically is for the history books. Without doubt no greek Cypriot can say he is not Hellenic because that is our culture, our language our religion and our belief. Firstly we are Hellenes secondly we are Cypriots or Greek Cypriots.

In the modern terminology Enosis can mean many things, it can be political or cultural. I am still not clear what most " Cypriots" really wish for and I believe that that is the main problem to encounter. Given that Turkey has been occupying Cyprus for 34 years, we need to find a solution to ensure both communities can live together in harmony. Since most Turkish Cypriots wish to remain within the security of Turkey, Greek Cypriots can either go it alone and remain independent in which case sooner or later the money will run out or it can find a solution along the lines of Sicily. If not in 100 years time we shall still be trying to find a solution. When the other side does not wish to collaborate, you can either force the issue or you modify your proposals. Blaming the past will never solve anything.

Byron

Welcome to our Forum,Byron...
Can you expand on the bold bits above...Why should the money run out???? And what is the Sicily solution???? Thanks...

Has Cyprus been paying protection money to the Mafia?

[Get Real!]

The fact that Cyprus never managed to join Greece politically is for the history books.

Correction... Greece REJECTED Cyprus on two occasions but some of you are like needy female leeches who just don't know when a relationship is over. Apparently, Greece has never regarded Cypriots as "Hellenic" enough to accept them or shed their blood for them so WAKE UP.

Its high time some of you “Greek”-Cypriots started embracing your OWN ancient history and culture and stop pretending to be mythological Spartan heroes because it’s clearly not working and you’re just making fools of yourselves.

[Nikitas]

"sooner or later the money will run out" says Byron.

Well, we are in the midst of a worldwide financial crisis. It will be interesting to see how this will affect the situation in Cyprus. On one hand we have the major industrial power of the area, Turkey, continuing its occupation of the north. On the other we have the major service economies of the area, Cyprus and Greece. It will be interesting to see if Alvin Tofler's predictions about the future being post industrial and that it belongs to the service eoconomies.

Money does not run out, money and wealth in general is CREATED by people using a country's resources wisely. This crisis will show who is using resources wisely.