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Why should TCs do national service for an army that is at war with us?

[denizaksulu]

I am delighted for your apology to GR, as I feel responsible for those pics. (assuming there are no others about.)

I think she'll end up regretting it... in time she’ll discover that GR is incompatible with apologies.

what was so special about these pics? were they "inappropriate" shots of GR?

You are right. He was ENJOYING the Efes. Highly inappropriate. He got his revenge though. He fed me Sheftalia/Seftali kebab in Kakopetria.

[Get Real!]

Why should TCs do national service for an army that is at war with us?

Shhh... it confuses the enemy.

[BlackBolt]

Why should TCs do national service for an army that is at war with us?

You're a good guy VP but posts like this really don't do you any justice. You're capable of much better arguments.

Perhaps if you show that you want to be on the same side as the GCs rather than being Turkey's bitches then they won't be at war with you. Nobody is asking you to give up your Turkish roots, just recognise that you can be both Turkish AND Cypriot with all the benefits and responsibilities of that status.

Alternatively, you might consider that the numerous benefits that the RoC allows your people, such as access to healthcare and employment opportunities in the free areas (despite the fact that you're all commiting treason by supporting an illegal occupying regime), might deserve some sort of reciprocal goodwill.

[paliometoxo]

i doubt it does, they just want tot ake take and take then complain and say they shouldent have to give anything back give us the fimger and take some more

[Viewpoint]

Why should TCs do national service for an army that is at war with us?

You're a good guy VP but posts like this really don't do you any justice. You're capable of much better arguments.

Perhaps if you show that you want to be on the same side as the GCs rather than being Turkey's bitches then they won't be at war with you. Nobody is asking you to give up your Turkish roots, just recognise that you can be both Turkish AND Cypriot with all the benefits and responsibilities of that status.

Alternatively, you might consider that the numerous benefits that the RoC allows your people, such as access to healthcare and employment opportunities in the free areas (despite the fact that you're all commiting treason by supporting an illegal occupying regime), might deserve some sort of reciprocal goodwill.

So what you are saying is be the bitches of the GCs no thanks rather my own than someone who wants to take away my community rights and reduce me into minority status, until GCs grasp that we are equal communities and should be treated so we can never be on the same side. We are more Turkish than ever this is a natural evolution as this is our roots we are just returning to them, the Cypriot issue in 10 20 years time will be history.

As for the "benefits" the "RoC" provides if you claim to represent the whole island then you are burdened with the responsibility of providing these "benefit" otherwise you would look foolish to claim one thing and do another, why dont you campaign that these "benefits" be withdrawn?

Our ties with Turkey will always be strong as TCs truely believe Turkey is our only real ally and the financial support is just one indication of this fact. You can try to twist it how you wish but it will not make a bit of difference as actions speak louder than words and the GC actions of the past and present tell us exactly that our priorities are right.

[BlackBolt]

Why should TCs do national service for an army that is at war with us?

You're a good guy VP but posts like this really don't do you any justice. You're capable of much better arguments.

Perhaps if you show that you want to be on the same side as the GCs rather than being Turkey's bitches then they won't be at war with you. Nobody is asking you to give up your Turkish roots, just recognise that you can be both Turkish AND Cypriot with all the benefits and responsibilities of that status.

Alternatively, you might consider that the numerous benefits that the RoC allows your people, such as access to healthcare and employment opportunities in the free areas (despite the fact that you're all commiting treason by supporting an illegal occupying regime), might deserve some sort of reciprocal goodwill.

So what you are saying is be the bitches of the GCs no thanks rather my own than someone who wants to take away my community rights and reduce me into minority status, until GCs grasp that we are equal communities and should be treated so we can never be on the same side. We are more Turkish than ever this is a natural evolution as this is our roots we are just returning to them, the Cypriot issue in 10 20 years time will be history.

As for the "benefits" the "RoC" provides if you claim to represent the whole island then you are burdened with the responsibility of providing these "benefit" otherwise you would look foolish to claim one thing and do another, why dont you campaign that these "benefits" be withdrawn?

Our ties with Turkey will always be strong as TCs truely believe Turkey is our only real ally and the financial support is just one indication of this fact. You can try to twist it how you wish but it will not make a bit of difference as actions speak louder than words and the GC actions of the past and present tell us exactly that our priorities are right.

Surely by accepting the benefits provided by the RoC you are admitting how much you need the RoC to survive. It seems Turkey and the 'TRNC' don't provide for their children to the point where you have to come crawling to your hated enemies. Bit degrading isn't it?

I know you justify it by saying that you think we owe you and we're responsible for all your problems etc, but really how long can the TCs continue with the idea that the world owes you a living?

Also while I have your attention, would you mind giving a brief explanation of how mathematics are taught in Turkish schools as I don't understand how 18% of anything can be regarded as 'equal' to 82%. You see, in the rest of the world, 18% can only be equal to another 18%. Perhaps this is why many of us fail to understand your claims to 'equal' status.

EDIT: I forgot to ask, how is evolution taught in Turkish schools? Elsewhere it means 'adapting and moving forward', not 'regressing into a previous state'.

[Viewpoint]

BlackBolt

Surely by accepting the benefits provided by the RoC you are admitting how much you need the RoC to survive. It seems Turkey and the 'TRNC' don't provide for their children to the point where you have to come crawling to your hated enemies. Bit degrading isn't it?

If you provide something for nothing people will take it and use it, you claim to represent all Cypriots then you have to provide as I said try withdrawing it if you have the balls and see the consequences.

I know you justify it by saying that you think we owe you and we're responsible for all your problems etc, but really how long can the TCs continue with the idea that the world owes you a living?

The world owes us the freedom to make a living and not to isolate us so that we are dependent on others, move to one side so that we can move on up otherwise you leave us no alternative but to survive the best way we can, so you can clearly see who is causing all the problems, you as you have stolen our rights to live like anyone else and not under the dominance or threat of GCs.

Also while I have your attention, would you mind giving a brief explanation of how mathematics are taught in Turkish schools as I don't understand how 18% of anything can be regarded as 'equal' to 82%. You see, in the rest of the world, 18% can only be equal to another 18%. Perhaps this is why many of us fail to understand your claims to 'equal' status.

If one guy is shorter than the other does it make him any less of a partner, does it mean we should be forced to live under GC rule and without safeguards and rights to ensure you do the right thing and do not leave things to chance and manipulation which GCs are experts at.

EDIT: I forgot to ask, how is evolution taught in Turkish schools? Elsewhere it means 'adapting and moving forward', not 'regressing into a previous state'.

In biology, evolution is the changes in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. These changes are caused by a combination of three main processes: variation, reproduction, and selection. Genes that are passed on to an organism's offspring produce the inherited traits that are the basis of evolution. These traits vary within populations, with organisms showing heritable differences in their traits. When organisms reproduce, their offspring may have new or altered traits. These new traits arise in two main ways: either from mutations in genes, or from the transfer of genes between populations and between species. In species that reproduce sexually, new combinations of genes are also produced by genetic recombination, which can increase variation between organisms. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population.

Two major mechanisms drive evolution. The first is natural selection, a process causing heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction to become more common in a population, and harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because individuals with advantageous traits are more likely to reproduce, so that more individuals in the next generation inherit these traits. Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural selection of those variants best-suited for their environment. The second major mechanism is genetic drift, an independent process that produces random changes in the frequency of traits in a population. Genetic drift results from the role probability plays in whether a given trait will be passed on as individuals survive and reproduce. Though the changes produced in any one generation by drift and selection are small, differences accumulate with each subsequent generation and can, over time, cause substantial changes in the organisms. This process can culminate in the emergence of new species, Indeed, the similarities between organisms suggest that all known species are descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) through this process of gradual divergence.

Do you get the general drift?

[BlackBolt]

Surely by accepting the benefits provided by the RoC you are admitting how much you need the RoC to survive. It seems Turkey and the 'TRNC' don't provide for their children to the point where you have to come crawling to your hated enemies. Bit degrading isn't it?

If you provide something for nothing people will take it and use it, you claim to represent all Cypriots then you have to provide as I said try withdrawing it if you have the balls and see the consequences.

But this doesn't change the fact that Turkey and the 'TRNC' aren't providing for you to the point where you don't need us or the fact that you have to take our handouts to survive. This is very different to the 'paradise' that some of your compatriots profess (though I'm inclined to believe they're not as bright as you and they don't live in the 'TRNC')

I know you justify it by saying that you think we owe you and we're responsible for all your problems etc, but really how long can the TCs continue with the idea that the world owes you a living?

The world owes us the freedom to make a living and not to isolate us so that we are dependent on others, move to one side so that we can move on up otherwise you leave us no alternative but to survive the best way we can, so you can clearly see who is causing all the problems, you as you have stolen our rights to live like anyone else and not under the dominance or threat of GCs.

This just sounds like 'we want to live in the houses we stole from you and you should sign them over to us and pay us to live here just because that's what we want and we're people too'. It doesn't make sense (unless you're an irritable child.

Also while I have your attention, would you mind giving a brief explanation of how mathematics are taught in Turkish schools as I don't understand how 18% of anything can be regarded as 'equal' to 82%. You see, in the rest of the world, 18% can only be equal to another 18%. Perhaps this is why many of us fail to understand your claims to 'equal' status.

If one guy is shorter than the other does it make him any less of a partner, does it mean we should be forced to live under GC rule and without safeguards and rights to ensure you do the right thing and do not leave things to chance and manipulation which GCs are experts at.

Equality in democracy relates to majority rule. That's how it works and in this case GCs are the majority population. This means that in a true democracy, most of the people voting will be GCs. However, if you want to think of it as a business partnership then I would argue that equal partnerships are based on equal contribution. Both partners put in the same amount of capital and effort.

If we consider a unified Cyprus as a business partnership, what exactly will the TCs be putting in to equal the contribution of the GCs? The RoC has the superior resources, economy, political contacts etc. What are you offering the business apart from the land that was taken from us during the invasion? Even in this sense, you're still a minority because you just don't have the 'capital' to contribute equally.

EDIT: I forgot to ask, how is evolution taught in Turkish schools? Elsewhere it means 'adapting and moving forward', not 'regressing into a previous state'.

In biology, evolution is the changes in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. These changes are caused by a combination of three main processes: variation, reproduction, and selection. Genes that are passed on to an organism's offspring produce the inherited traits that are the basis of evolution. These traits vary within populations, with organisms showing heritable differences in their traits. When organisms reproduce, their offspring may have new or altered traits. These new traits arise in two main ways: either from mutations in genes, or from the transfer of genes between populations and between species. In species that reproduce sexually, new combinations of genes are also produced by genetic recombination, which can increase variation between organisms. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population.

Two major mechanisms drive evolution. The first is natural selection, a process causing heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction to become more common in a population, and harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because individuals with advantageous traits are more likely to reproduce, so that more individuals in the next generation inherit these traits. Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural selection of those variants best-suited for their environment. The second major mechanism is genetic drift, an independent process that produces random changes in the frequency of traits in a population. Genetic drift results from the role probability plays in whether a given trait will be passed on as individuals survive and reproduce. Though the changes produced in any one generation by drift and selection are small, differences accumulate with each subsequent generation and can, over time, cause substantial changes in the organisms. This process can culminate in the emergence of new species, Indeed, the similarities between organisms suggest that all known species are descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) through this process of gradual divergence.

Do you get the general drift?

Now I'm no biologist (don't we have one around here?) but it seems to me that natural selection and adaptation tell us that going back to swinging in the trees and looking for bananas isn't a good idea. So how does 'going Turkish' qualify as 'evolution' for the TCs?

[Oracle]

BlackBolt ... ignore Viewpoint ... he is a computer programme ... endless repetition of the same programme!