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[MrH]

I believe that the GC Controlled ROC's current President - Mr Christofias, should take some lessons from his former people's leader, Tassos Papadopoulos. At least he was honest, and realised that Greek and Turkish "Cypriots" of Cyprus are different peoples, have different cultures and CAN NOT live under the same Government unless it is dominated by a Greek Cypriot one! He also realised that the Turkish Cypriots love Turkiye and will never let go!

In other words, here's a man who accepted partition as a reality as he SAW NO OTHER Realistic option.

I bet the Cyprus problem would have been resolved by now if Papadopoulos had won the GC Presidential Elections? I bet he would have adopted the Yugoslavian model? And, I bet he would have been praised by his people as the one who ended this futile road of seeking a non-workable unification under one-roof idea!

[Piratis]

Can you point me where Papadopolous said that there are two "peoples" and all the other nonsense you claim?

You are right in one thing however: That if TCs continue to want partition, like they wanted since the 50s, then there is no way we can achieve peace and unification with negotiations since the TCs will always reject this, and insist on their crimes and illegalities.

But that is where the things that you can force end. You can't force us or other countries to recognize you as the rulers of our homeland. The partition model you will get is the same one you had for the last 34 years: The illegal occupation model, because that is exactly what we have.

You are talking about "realistic options". Our first option is one truly united and democratic Cyprus. The how realistic this option is depends on you. Our second option is a de facto partition as we have it now with RoC the one and only recognized state, and with you the outlaws. This option is not the ideal, but it is the second best, and one it does not depend on you. You have been trying for recognition for decades and you got jack shit.

So the same way we understand the reality that there will be no unification by peaceful means unless you want it too (and you don't) then you also have to understand the reality that you will never get any recognition unless we want to allow you such thing (and we don't)

[MrH]

He didn't need to say it in so many words mate, his actions for not sitting at the table and ignoring the UN and EU were good enough. In a funny way, as a Turkish Cypriot, I admired his honesty and boldness - at least we knew where we stood with him!

[Piratis]

He didn't say it in any words mate. If his actions "say" something this is: "It is a waste of time negotiating with the TCs because they are puppets of Turkey and will accept nothing less than partition". You convinced him that it was a waste of time negotiating with you. Isn't this what you are trying to convince everyone?

[Oracle]

- at least we knew where we stood with him!

So now you have doubts as to where you stand

Do you need President Christofias to comfort you personally ... or will you just read his body language also, and decide it does not matter what he says, but what you imagine, as you are suggesting about Papadopoulos?

[Paphitis]

He didn't need to say it in so many words mate, his actions for not sitting at the table and ignoring the UN and EU were good enough. In a funny way, as a Turkish Cypriot, I admired his honesty and boldness - at least we knew where we stood with him!

Forget about knowing where you stand with Tassos Pappadopoulos or Dimitris Christofias.

Have you not yet pondered and asked yourself where exactly you stand with Turkey, who has abandoned its unwanted child?

[EPSILON]

He didn't need to say it in so many words mate, his actions for not sitting at the table and ignoring the UN and EU were good enough. In a funny way, as a Turkish Cypriot, I admired his honesty and boldness - at least we knew where we stood with him!

That means your pposition is just your own conclusion - as a conclusion maybe is wrong. Maybe TP was trying to create only one state (no partition) with no Turks in it.!!! Just an other conclusion you could made.

[denizaksulu]

He didn't need to say it in so many words mate, his actions for not sitting at the table and ignoring the UN and EU were good enough. In a funny way, as a Turkish Cypriot, I admired his honesty and boldness - at least we knew where we stood with him!

Do you also accept that Talat is a puppet, without a voice of his own to boast about?

[Get Real!]

:lol: Can you point me where Papadopolous said that there are two "peoples" and all the other nonsense you claim?

How dare you challenge the absolute declarations of an ATCA general?

[MrH]

Piratis Said:

He didn't say it in any words mate. If his actions "say" something this is: "It is a waste of time negotiating with the TCs because they are puppets of Turkey and will accept nothing less than partition". You convinced him that it was a waste of time negotiating with you. Isn't this what you are trying to convince everyone?

Ha Ha, I like that one - But, NOoooooo!

It's a waste of time TRYING to negotiate with people who consider themselves as the "MAJORITY" and the rest as a "Minority" as they will never RESPECT your politcal position - which is why we thankfully have Turkey to support us until the isolation is off. Sorry mate but, shipping goods from the TRNC with a GC-Controlled ROC on it is not exactly what we call removing the isolation!

There is obviously a CLEAR DISTINCTION between SUPPORT and PUPPET, and unlike the "Other Side" hiding behind lies and hidden agendas and representing the entire island but only in control of half, at least we talk straight! AND Mean what we say. The Yes vote on the Internationally Sponsored UN Plan for Cyprus (April 2004) proved that.

At least we didn't Compile a AKRITAS Plan of extermination
At least we have no intention of DOMINATING the "Other Side"
At least we Genuinely want a BBF - Workable Solution!
And At least our President is seeking an AMICABLE agreement based on the realities - Two Federated States under a LOOSE Central Government!

And...

Wasn't it President Denktas who forced the opening of the Border? oh sorry! I meant the "Cease Fire Line"? At least that is internationally recognised!!

Getting back to Tassos Papadopoulos - I still stand by what I said about him. At least he had the courage to say "NO", unlike Christofias who obviously changes his opinions according the the Cyprus Hooded Church - probably because he is scared? The man is clearly too soft - get someone who can negotiate will ya?