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[MrH]

Denizaksulu,

Although I would Prefer Denktas any day of the week, and it obviously took Talat many years of experience before his GC friends let him down on the Annan Plan, I genuinely believe that Talat is now the man for the job. He has so far made all the right moves, has stuck to his guns on BBF and is promoting the idea of a true federal agreement based on "Two Founding States". I wouldn't take that away from him, but promote his boldness and determination in seeking a "Just" and "Viable" solution to the Cyprus problem.

Do you differ Denizaksulu?

[CBBB]

MrH said:

Getting back to Tassos Papadopoulos - I still stand by what I said about him. At least he had the courage to say "NO", unlike Christofias who obviously changes his opinions according the the Cyprus Hooded Church - probably because he is scared? The man is clearly too soft - get someone who can negotiate will ya?

You are definitely showing your ignorance of the situation in Cyprus if you think Christophias listens to the Church.

Just stick to your ghetto in London.

[Oracle]

MrH said:

Getting back to Tassos Papadopoulos - I still stand by what I said about him. At least he had the courage to say "NO", unlike Christofias who obviously changes his opinions according the the Cyprus Hooded Church - probably because he is scared? The man is clearly too soft - get someone who can negotiate will ya?

You are definitely showing your ignorance of the situation in Cyprus if you think Christophias listens to the Church.

Just stick to your ghetto in London.

Unfortunately she is probably living in some GC's home in "Girne" from where she watched her Turkish Stars, demonstrating the idiom, "If pigs could fly!" ...

[denizaksulu]

Denizaksulu,

Although I would Prefer Denktas any day of the week, and it obviously took Talat many years of experience before his GC friends let him down on the Annan Plan, I genuinely believe that Talat is now the man for the job. He has so far made all the right moves, has stuck to his guns on BBF and is promoting the idea of a true federal agreement based on "Two Founding States". I wouldn't take that away from him, but promote his boldness and determination in seeking a "Just" and "Viable" solution to the Cyprus problem.

Do you differ Denizaksulu?

Viable, perhaps, but very short lived. The reason being that NO GC will give up their land. Would you give up your ancestral land if you were in GC shoes. If I were GC, I would vote OXI. I say this for personal reasons, which for me are valid. I am from the south and do not relish the thought of relinquishing my ancestral rights. Dont you think a large majority of GCs will think the same? Thats why it will be short lived or not happen at all.

Do you disagree? Can you see the GC point of view. We must have a common aim and a common understanding. BBF is not the answer.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Mrs H hasnt got a clue about the Cyprus problem. Probably all that brain washing she has been treated to by her Turkish motherland.

Oracle I used to think you were slightly mad when I joined the forum. I was a moderate back in the day. But since I have been a member I have truely realised that these TC's never want a solution. They occupy the areas which are without doubt the best parts of Cyprus.

They live in our Houses that they stole and try to blame us for the situation. Yes we did kill TC's in the 60's but how GC's have they killed before and after those events.

I always believed the TC's were good people but I guess living under Turkish control for over 30 years has now finally made them Turkish not Cypriot.

[MrH]

GeorgeV97qaue,

"Turkish and Not Cypriot"

Sorry mate but their is not such thing as a pure "Cypriot" identity nor CYPRIOT People - It's either; Turkish-Cypriot or Greek-Cypriot!

Denizaksulu,

I understand your point, but I believe GeorgeV97qaue answered why I believe in either a clean break or a BBF with a very loose Central Government. And, it all depends how far back in History you want to use as a basis for a manful discussion: Is it 1571, 1878, 1960, 1963, 1974, 1984 or shall we go back to the 12th century. I wonder what today's Americans would base their argument on regarding their heritage and historical rights?

Ultimately Denizaksulu, I am basing my entire argument on recent developments (if we can call it that), on models accepted by the European Union itself and on the right to Self-Determination. Is that so bad?

[Tim Drayton]

Denizaksulu,

Although I would Prefer Denktas any day of the week, and it obviously took Talat many years of experience before his GC friends let him down on the Annan Plan, I genuinely believe that Talat is now the man for the job. He has so far made all the right moves, has stuck to his guns on BBF and is promoting the idea of a true federal agreement based on "Two Founding States". I wouldn't take that away from him, but promote his boldness and determination in seeking a "Just" and "Viable" solution to the Cyprus problem.

Do you differ Denizaksulu?

Viable, perhaps, but very short lived. The reason being that NO GC will give up their land. Would you give up your ancestral land if you were in GC shoes. If I were GC, I would vote OXI. I say this for personal reasons, which for me are valid. I am from the south and do not relish the thought of relinquishing my ancestral rights. Dont you think a large majority of GCs will think the same? Thats why it will be short lived or not happen at all.

Do you disagree? Can you see the GC point of view. We must have a common aim and a common understanding. BBF is not the answer.

These are the wisest words I have heard here for a long time. At the end of the day, the proposal will have to be approved in separate referenda in both communities. Either the talks will produce a blueprint that will get a "NAI" from one side and an "evet" from the other, or else the whole exercise will have been a waste of time.

[DT.]

Mrs H hasnt got a clue about the Cyprus problem. Probably all that brain washing she has been treated to by her Turkish motherland.

Oracle I used to think you were slightly mad when I joined the forum. I was a moderate back in the day. But since I have been a member I have truely realised that these TC's never want a solution. They occupy the areas which are without doubt the best parts of Cyprus.

They live in our Houses that they stole and try to blame us for the situation. Yes we did kill TC's in the 60's but how GC's have they killed before and after those events.

I always believed the TC's were good people but I guess living under Turkish control for over 30 years has now finally made them Turkish not Cypriot.

Don't fall in the trap of generalising George. Some tc's are complaining louder than us about our stolen lands and its not just because they have left land behind in the south but because they're decent folks who hate to see injustice.

[denizaksulu]

GeorgeV97qaue,

"Turkish and Not Cypriot"

Sorry mate but their is not such thing as a pure "Cypriot" identity nor CYPRIOT People - It's either; Turkish-Cypriot or Greek-Cypriot!

Denizaksulu,

I understand your point, but I believe GeorgeV97qaue answered why I believe in either a clean break or a BBF with a very loose Central Government. And, it all depends how far back in History you want to use as a basis for a manful discussion: Is it 1571, 1878, 1960, 1963, 1974, 1984 or shall we go back to the 12th century. I wonder what today's Americans would base their argument on regarding their heritage and historical rights?

Ultimately Denizaksulu, I am basing my entire argument on recent developments (if we can call it that), on models accepted by the European Union itself and on the right to Self-Determination. Is that so bad?

Pray, tell me what a manful discussion is? What has gender got to do with any discussion?

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Mrs H hasnt got a clue about the Cyprus problem. Probably all that brain washing she has been treated to by her Turkish motherland.

Oracle I used to think you were slightly mad when I joined the forum. I was a moderate back in the day. But since I have been a member I have truely realised that these TC's never want a solution. They occupy the areas which are without doubt the best parts of Cyprus.

They live in our Houses that they stole and try to blame us for the situation. Yes we did kill TC's in the 60's but how GC's have they killed before and after those events.

I always believed the TC's were good people but I guess living under Turkish control for over 30 years has now finally made them Turkish not Cypriot.

Don't fall in the trap of generalising George. Some tc's are complaining louder than us about our stolen lands and its not just because they have left land behind in the south but because they're decent folks who hate to see injustice.

DT I know you are right but the TC's on this forum really wind me up with their rubbish. They make these sweeping statements about it's their right to have their own state when they know they have stolen our land.

My family was ripped apart in 1974 we lost our homes in Famagusta and Ahna. I was always brought up by my parents to respect the TC community and to be honest one of my best mate is a TC. As I stated in several post I used to really believe we could live together. But I guess the greed of some of the TC's will never allow them to come to the table and be prepared to make sacrifises them selves.

I will never accept anything but a truely united country where we can all live where we like.