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Poisoning the climate

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Postby Kifeas » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:37 pm

MrH wrote:Bananiot,

Hi,

In my opinion, I strongly believe that he won't shift from this position as its national policy for the Turkish Cypriots - it's a fundamental part of the rule of "Equality" under an environment based on Conflict! If he does shift from this basis, then I would say the isolation, economic and political struggle of the Turkish Cypriot since 1974 has been a waste of time! We are seeking a plan based on Equality and not domination. Thus, as long as the Greek Cypriot population outnumber ours by its present percentage, it will be futile to agree upon unrealistic unification parameters without two distinctive federated states.

This is not a new policy, but one that has been proven by almost every country that is under conflict! It's about Trust, and unification based on two founding states will at the very least protect our rights as "Partners" of the island of Cyprus as opposed to being classed as a "Protected Minority".

Britain agreed to relinquish the Cyprus under a Partnership, two majorities, and not one based on domination by especially the Greek Cypriot with whom even they had problems compromising with - Makarios had to be pushed to sign the Partnership deal.

The Greek Cypriots can try the old "Unification", love and respect moves all they want, we know the truth.

What we are asking has been implemented by almost every nation in Europe and has been accepted - Belgium, the AGREED break up of former Yugoslavia and the break up of Czechoslovakia - if they all can agree on a mutual footing, why should we remain indifferent? The Greek Cypriots need to understand they will never win domination over the Turkish Cypriot nation, we have learnt our lessons too well in the past.

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MrH, Cyprus issue has absolutely nothing to do with the cases of Belgium, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia! You must truly burry this deep in your mind and your consciousness!

Kingdom of Belgium emerged as a nation-state, because there were historically pre-existing separate areas, with separate ethnic populations, (Walloons, Flanders, etc,) which came together and formed a federal state. The same holds true with Yugoslavia, which first became a federal union on the basis of historically pre-existing regions inhabited by different ethnic populations, which came together and formed the Yugoslavian socialist federation, and then dissolved back to where it started. Precisely the same holds true for Czechoslovakia!

In Cyprus, we never had historically different regions, inhabited by different ethnic populations, which came together at some time and formed a federation. We never had in our history, a separate northern and /or southern Cyprus autonomous region or territory; and we never had in our history a Greek and /or a Turkish autonomous territory. What we had instead, was one Cyprus in which various ethnic communities were intermixed together, equally and evenly in all parts of it. What you wish to regard or call nowadays as Turkish or Northern Cyprus (a notion which we grossly reject,) was historically nothing else but an area inhabited in its vast majority by Greek Cypriots, for thousands of years, and which Turkey ethnically cleansed of its indigenous GC element in 1974. Hardly any comparison or similarity between Cyprus and Belgium, Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia, as you can see if you posses the minimum sense of logic and objectivity!
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Postby DT. » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:54 pm

MrH wrote:Bananiot,

Hi,

In my opinion, I strongly believe that he won't shift from this position as its national policy for the Turkish Cypriots - it's a fundamental part of the rule of "Equality" under an environment based on Conflict! If he does shift from this basis, then I would say the isolation, economic and political struggle of the Turkish Cypriot since 1974 has been a waste of time! We are seeking a plan based on Equality and not domination. Thus, as long as the Greek Cypriot population outnumber ours by its present percentage, it will be futile to agree upon unrealistic unification parameters without two distinctive federated states.

This is not a new policy, but one that has been proven by almost every country that is under conflict! It's about Trust, and unification based on two founding states will at the very least protect our rights as "Partners" of the island of Cyprus as opposed to being classed as a "Protected Minority".

Britain agreed to relinquish the Cyprus under a Partnership, two majorities, and not one based on domination by especially the Greek Cypriot with whom even they had problems compromising with - Makarios had to be pushed to sign the Partnership deal.

The Greek Cypriots can try the old "Unification", love and respect moves all they want, we know the truth.

What we are asking has been implemented by almost every nation in Europe and has been accepted - Belgium, the AGREED break up of former Yugoslavia and the break up of Czechoslovakia - if they all can agree on a mutual footing, why should we remain indifferent? The Greek Cypriots need to understand they will never win domination over the Turkish Cypriot nation, we have learnt our lessons too well in the past.

Thanks.


On the one hand you say talat won't shift from his position of wanting 2 "founding" states and on the other you claim the constitution in 1960 was one of partnership. If you believe so strongly that it was then whats the problem with the evolution of 1960 rather than a new state?
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Postby DT. » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:59 pm

Oh and by the way....one sure way to not poisoning the climate during negotiations is TO REFRAIN FROM FIRING MORTAR SHELLS INTO GREEK CYPRIOT HOMES :roll:
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