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[Tim Drayton]

Another thing you will find is that you will inherit thousands and thousands of civil servants who, just like the ones you already have, do nothing, are over-paid, retire on a pension then are re-hired and all this on top of the 13th salary. The politics of the North depend on civil service voters and you won't get rid of them any easier than you could get rid of your own.
Poisoned chalice springs to mind.

The pay and conditions of state employees in the north is actually a legacy of the RoC - you will find that civil servants in this part of Cyprus enjoy similar perks - and somthing that Turkey wishes to eliminate as part of a gradual process of bringing things in line with mainland Turkish practices.

[vaughanwilliams]

We aren't talking industrial bases here, we are talking things like:
Hospitals, schools, social services, roads, water, electricity and communications. These infrastructures need millions and millions spending on them and the TC's haven't got the money - you made sure of that. It will be years and years, if ever, before the North can support itself.

CBBB how do you know where I live?

[Nikitas]

Hospitals are there, travelling from Kyrenia to Nicosia General is no problem, telecommunications are fine, thanks to mobile telephony. Back in the days of the British empire we had one phone per village, and only if the village was big enough. and some people had the nerve to call that a "high standard of living" and warned how we would suffer if the British left.

The electricity and road grid will be renovated at some cost, and will provide employment for TCs, which will be the way to bring up the economy to scratch. In case you have not heard, public works are the means of choice for getting the USA out of the slump.

You overlook one huge financial source- the reconstruction of Famagusta, where the money will come from the owners of the individual properties who will rebuild. It is esentially a self financing project, and one of the biggest projects in the Mediterranean, definitely the biggest in Cyprus's history.

The future is anything but bleak. The idea here is to make the TCs prosperous without Turkey. That has been the bet all along. It is surprising that you do not understand this.

[Get Real!]

...and the TC's haven't got the money - you made sure of that.

Don’t fall for that old wife’s tale circulating in the “TRNC” that the GCs “won’t let them” because we know them better than you lot do, and I assure you that they were ALWAYS under-achievers quite simply because they have the typical Turkic mentality and way of doing things. Show me one Turkic state that has done well…why should TCs perform any different?

[Paphitis]

We aren't talking industrial bases here, we are talking things like:
Hospitals, schools, social services, roads, water, electricity and communications. These infrastructures need millions and millions spending on them and the TC's haven't got the money - you made sure of that. It will be years and years, if ever, before the North can support itself.

CBBB how do you know where I live?

I think you are exaggerating.

The main financial burden will be when Ammohostos is opened up. Ammohostos will need to be built from the ground up, and if anything, the "trnc" is very foolish for holding this town as a bargaining chip. I say that because when there is a solution, Billions will be diverted to rebuild infrastructure in this town in order to make it habitable. The Billions that would be spent to rebuild Ammohostos, would obviously detract from any money spent on the TC community. It would mean less funds to assist the TCs to develop economically.

[vaughanwilliams]

The hospitals are there (Nicosia General) but TC's will want their own hospitals with their own doctors.
The electricity grid and roads will require millions, and you won't find TC's digging the roads any more than you would dig them yourself. They have got too used to "settlers" digging their roads. Also a good theory about the roads and the economy - Hitler had a similar one.
Are you saying that the owners of Famagusta will pay for TC's to rebuild them? Is this the same TC's that will be digging the roads? Hmmm. Is there a picture forming here? Once again TC's labouring for their GC masters?
In any case, Famagusta may pay wages but it won't build any schools in Guzelyurt.
"The idea here is to make the TCs prosperous without Turkey. That has been the bet all along."
You could have fooled me. I thought the bet all along had been to reduce the TC's to total poverty to make them "give in" when all it's done is make them totally dependant on Turkey.

[Get Real!]

The electricity grid and roads will require millions, and you won't find TC's digging the roads any more than you would dig them yourself.

As if beggars can be choosers! Forget what they were doing whilst living with settlers... now a rude awakening awaits them!


They think their problem is "enosis" but little do they realize that their real problem is that for the first time in 30 years they'll actually have to start working!

[vaughanwilliams]

Paphitis,

You will wish that I was exagerating when the bills start to roll in.

EU money will be spent where the EU sees it as being necessary. The humanitarian and social priorities of the North will easily relegate the need to spend EU money on a ghost town with population zero. Private money will pay for Varosha as it will be private enterprise that will gain from it.

[vaughanwilliams]

Get Real,

The old slave driver mentality not far away, eh? You should be aware that capital projects like roads and electricity grids are always carried out by specialist contractors and workers, which TC's have never had as TR has always done it for them.

[Get Real!]

Get Real,

The old slave driver mentality not far away, eh?

What can we do? Colonialism has taught GCs plenty and TCs nothing.