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[DT.]

To all Greek Cypriots who answered exactly as expected!

How much I laughed when I read your retaliatory comments - especially from Get Real!

I deliberately set those points against the "Greek Cypriot GRAIN" in order to prove how UN-COMPROMISING most Greek Cypriot people are. If I had said, "Let's all live together, forget about the past and form a federation NOT based on two Constituent States and agree on the Dissolution of the TRNC and live under Greek Cypriot Domination" I would have obviously been the IDEAL Turkish Cypriot Girl!

Your answers were all TYPICAL and OBVIOUS, which is why I thought you'd all pass the test.

The Truth of the matter, UNFORTUNATELY, is that the Greek Cypriots can not face the reality that the TRNC exists, Cyprus is an ISLAND in Conflict, the EU made a mistake of allowing an ISLAND that is in dispute!

AND, when the Greek Cypriot Say NO to the next plan, we will be recognised!!!!

FINALLY - The Status Quo will not, and can not, last forever - something will have to GIVE - and that will be the EU suddenly having to recognise our Republic State AGAINST GREEK wishes as they did with KOSOVO!

International Law on the Right to Self-Determination runs much deeper that the pathetic explanation you cut and pasted - you'll need to visit more website than that! Try finding a paragraph that FORCES the TRNC to be dissolved under all of the so-called Humanitarian factors you all so consistently mention, and IMPLEMENT IT! Exactly, IT'S the IMPLEMENTATION Stage all Greek Cypriots are baffled with, and will always be.

IS KOSOVO Recognised by the Greek/Greek Cypriot World: NO!

IT IS SO TYPICAL that the GREEK CYPRIOT can not engage in meaningful dialogue, can not compromise, but result in lashing out, laughing out loud, annoying, GANGING-UP and then ACCUSING ONLY. AND YOU NOW WONDER WHY Turkey had to INTERVENE in 1963 and 1974.

I find it very hard how President Talat with GC leader Christofias - especially if he's like the Greek Cypriots in this forum. OBVIOUSLY, this forum is a GREEK CYPRIOT administered one, which is why I guess it's called the "CYPRUS FORUM" and not the FORUM for the ISLAND OF CYPRUS! Perhaps we should have a NORTHERN CYPRUS forum, maybe we Turkish Cypriots could then GANG-UP on the REST!

I rest my case!

NEXT SUBJECT.

funny how you keep mentioning the GC's when nearly half of the responses came from TC's.

[zan]

Hi Deniz

Just a flying visit at the moment!!!


I seem to be looking at a an incomplete puzzle as far as your post goes....I think, because of that, it is confusing to the reader. You seem to be making the problem seem so easily solved had Turkey just retreated after the peace operation? Do you really think that all it would have taken was for Turkey to pull out of Cyprus and the GCs and Greece would have given us a fair deal in Cyprus or do you think that some talks should have taken place first and a realistic solution found straight away....


I also like to explain to iceman once again that it is neither my fault or Mr.Hs' fault that we are living in the UK. This is a cheap shot that he has no right to keep harping on about. We are no less TC than he is and have no less to lose than he does.

[denizaksulu]

Hi Deniz

Just a flying visit at the moment!!!


I seem to be looking at a an incomplete puzzle as far as your post goes....I think, because of that, it is confusing to the reader. You seem to be making the problem seem so easily solved had Turkey just retreated after the peace operation? Do you really think that all it would have taken was for Turkey to pull out of Cyprus and the GCs and Greece would have given us a fair deal in Cyprus or do you think that some talks should have taken place first and a realistic solution found straight away....


I also like to explain to iceman once again that it is neither my fault or Mr.Hs' fault that we are living in the UK. This is a cheap shot that he has no right to keep harping on about. We are no less TC than he is and have no less to lose than he does.

Hi Zan. Long time no see.

Ofcourse not. It would have needed serious negotiating to do the job successfully. As I mentioned above, the more politically minded would have to sort details out. All I remember from those post 1974 'talks' was the intransigence of the GCs and their demands. That sticks to my mind, but the details escape me. Two years after 1974, TC refugees placed in GC homes were still expecting to return to their villages. This they were told by the Turkish Army and the TC authorities. A change of policy perhaps.

Zan, Turkey is only 5 minutes away. The GCs would have learnt their 'lesson' and accept that the TCs are in Cyprus to stay. I cant see them 'trying' again. Have to go now. Continue later.

Selamlar

[MrH]

Hi Denizaksulu, you said the following:

Good morning MrH. First I must say that I am pleased with the civilised manner in which you have responded to my one line comment. I am also glad that you are open to compromise.

The way I see the 'Cyprus Problem' is different from most TC views to a certain degree.

To 'Partition' our Island is an outmoded ideal. This ideal was created to counter the GCs demands for Enosis. During the 50's and 60's our minds, (all Cypriots that is, whether Greek speaking, Armenian, Maronite and Turkish speaking Cypriots) were polarised.
I no longer see the necessity for partition simply because there is no more any demand for Enosis. Our Greek speaking compatriots (a majority) have realised this now. My first choice of a solution is an agreed complete re-unification of our island under a constitution which will have safeguards for all. (the finer details I will leave to the political minds -which I am not). Where possible all refugees gain access to their domiciles and land, or compensated.

Under the guardianship of the EU we should give this a serious thought.

Ofcourse this is a personal opinion, so I will at this stage add that I am opposed to systematic ethnic cleansing which has taken place (very efficiently I might add) I find this wrong. The destruction of Cyprus' cultural heritage was also wrong. This day and age we (or rather Turkey) has no right to 'gain' from the 'conquest'.

Turkey in 1974, had rightly under the treaty of guarantorship, 'intervened' and prevented the real or unreal 'threat of annihilation' of the TC population of Cyprus. Perhaps it was the GCs who gained more from this intervention at that time(ending of their own civil war). But once the threat had disappeared the Turkish Army should have withdrawn and all refugees returned to their homes. TC and GC refugees were still hoping for a time when they would be allowed to return to their homes. For some it may be too late. Time is passing slowly. I think we should strive to achieve peace on this island without the interference from Superpowers or others. I think we should give these peace talks a chance and I am aware they are not talking of a'complete re-unification' but a BBF. To me, this is a step towards eventual partition. I think the GCs will not accept this (referandum) and I am of the opinion that the current negotiators are wasting our time. I cannot but feel a sense of hypocrisy of intent about.

The puppet is held by too many strings.

Have a good day.

My Answer:

Hi Denizaksulu,

Thanks for your civilised response.

Okay Deniz, I see your point, and understand your reasons for not agreeing to Partition. However, my main point is primarily based on “Trust” and the recent models(s) adopted by the European Union themselves with Countries in Conflict. Look at the former Yugoslavian Federal Republic State for instance. Look at how the EU felt it Right to Recognise Kosovo due to the uncompromising attitude of some, and the will for Self Determination of others. Look at the UK, with its Northern Ireland and the Falklands, and with how it has chosen to recognise Wales and Scotland as two separate Countries within a United Kingdom – why can’t the Greek Cypriots accept such a model?

I strongly believe that the island would best benefit under a “Step” resolution process. A Process that Gradually conditions all peoples of the island of Cyprus, as the ultra nationalists on either side will always, ultimately trigger off another conflict at this moment in time if we are FORCED to live together without a unanimous solution. In other words, getting a Majority vote of 51% from both sides on a UN Federal Plan does not REALLY mean that it’s the correct course. What happen to the rest of the 49% of people? What if one of those 49% who voted “Yok” or “OXI” decides to take “Political” action via their own means? Answer: Bloodshed! As you’ve rightly mentioned, the Greek Cypriot will obviously say “OXI” to any power sharing BBF plan.

As a result, where does that really leave the situation? I would prefer it if the EU adopted a Cyprus resolution process by example. Recognised two states and allowed them both to establish close links, work side by side, where perhaps one day, we could share the island when the European Union itself is ready to manage and contain such situations of conflict. In my view, I have always believed that we can live side by side, peacefully, but the Greek Cypriots need to realise that we have sensitivities too. We have a lack of Trust towards them too. And, this will take time. Meanwhile, perhaps we could agree to keep both Republic states “Cypriot”, and that could only be achieved if the Greek Cypriots would let down their “Ownership” and “Majority” guard and recognise a Turkish Cypriot Entity. Whether, it’s in the form of two Constituent, Republic or Federated states, I don’t care – it just need to be resolved.

I look forward to your response.

[zan]

Hi Deniz

Just a flying visit at the moment!!!


I seem to be looking at a an incomplete puzzle as far as your post goes....I think, because of that, it is confusing to the reader. You seem to be making the problem seem so easily solved had Turkey just retreated after the peace operation? Do you really think that all it would have taken was for Turkey to pull out of Cyprus and the GCs and Greece would have given us a fair deal in Cyprus or do you think that some talks should have taken place first and a realistic solution found straight away....


I also like to explain to iceman once again that it is neither my fault or Mr.Hs' fault that we are living in the UK. This is a cheap shot that he has no right to keep harping on about. We are no less TC than he is and have no less to lose than he does.

Hi Zan. Long time no see.

Ofcourse not. It would have needed serious negotiating to do the job successfully. As I mentioned above, the more politically minded would have to sort details out. All I remember from those post 1974 'talks' was the intransigence of the GCs and their demands. That sticks to my mind, but the details escape me. Two years after 1974, TC refugees placed in GC homes were still expecting to return to their villages. This they were told by the Turkish Army and the TC authorities. A change of policy perhaps.

Zan, Turkey is only 5 minutes away. The GCs would have learnt their 'lesson' and accept that the TCs are in Cyprus to stay. I cant see them 'trying' again. Have to go now. Continue later.

Selamlar

They have been trying to sort out the "DETAILS" for 34 years now Deniz...That is the whole point!!! We seem to be going around in circles and then when all else fails, blame Turkey for the continuing negotiations. This is not healthy. Greece and the GCs have just as much of the blame as to why this thing has not been solved.

By saying that we should leave the finer details to those politically minded does not absolve you from your comments either my friend. If you can say that then you must accept the fact that that is what has been happening all along. You must then trust your side has been doing all it can to bring about a solution. If you are complaining about not bringing about the solution that you yourself subscribe to then you be very careful not to make statements about Turkey leaving and all will be well. Talks have been going on since day one and nothing has come about and it is not all Turkeys fault......I truly believe that we have a foothold in our homeland that we would not have if Turkey had left us in the thick of it.

I would also like to point out that Turkey may be 5 minutes away but a second landing, if it were needed, would be impossible. All Turkey would be able to do is to tell us that it told us so. Nothing more!!!!!!

[DT.]

MrH, I was wondering if you could help me out a little by translating this article from Kibris.

http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php ... /Ana_sayfa

[Tim Drayton]

MrH, I was wondering if you could help me out a little by translating this article from Kibris.

http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php ... /Ana_sayfa

Interesting ... not so much the arguments themselves as the newspaper in which they appear.

[DT.]

MrH, I was wondering if you could help me out a little by translating this article from Kibris.

http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php ... /Ana_sayfa

Interesting ... not so much the arguments themselves as the newspaper in which they appear.

thats what I thought as well!

[Tim Drayton]

MrH, I was wondering if you could help me out a little by translating this article from Kibris.

http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php ... /Ana_sayfa

Interesting ... not so much the arguments themselves as the newspaper in which they appear.

thats what I thought as well!

Can you read Turkish?

PS It is also interesting to note from the readers' comments below the article that almost everybody agrees.

[DT.]

MrH, I was wondering if you could help me out a little by translating this article from Kibris.

http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php ... /Ana_sayfa

Interesting ... not so much the arguments themselves as the newspaper in which they appear.

thats what I thought as well!

Can you read Turkish?

PS It is also interesting to note from the readers' comments below the article that almost everybody agrees.

found the greek translation for it.