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[Viewpoint]

With no solution we will have to do our best.

If you can crawl to the roadblock I’ll give you a bitta of souvlakia…

Thank but no thanks coming from you its probably poisoned.

[Get Real!]

With no solution we will have to do our best.

If you can crawl to the roadblock I’ll give you a bitta of souvlakia…

Thank but no thanks coming from you its probably poisoned.

I thought you liked a little Lanate sauce on top...

[Big Al]

With no solution we will have to do our best.

If you can crawl to the roadblock I’ll give you a bitta of souvlakia…

If you can climb up a flag pole in the TRNC i'll give you a sucuk

[Get Real!]

With no solution we will have to do our best.

If you can crawl to the roadblock I’ll give you a bitta of souvlakia…

If you can climb up a flag pole in the TRNC i'll give you a sucuk

That's way too difficult... I’ll give you a better deal. If you can climb on ANY flag pole and sit on it, you can take it home!

[anna-sh]

Oracle

i remember the jackie mag as i remember a united island!

[DT.]

Its an Oracle and GR extravaganza!

[denizaksulu]

DT

I'll take down each one of your points soon as I get some time. In the meantime go see if you can find HSBC Ltd registered in the "trnc".

And, what does that tell you then? Perhaps the TRNC is solely supported by Turkey - do we have a choice in the face of all the international Isolation! The GCs have never stretched their arm and offered us some kind of independence or support - what do you expect?


denizaksulu,

Would you also like to see Turkey split up into two states of Kurdistan and Turkey? I for one prefer Cyprus to remain as a whole.

I am happy that we can engage in meaningful dialogue. As for your comments above, Turkey and Cyprus are completely two seperate political issues. Cyprus was partitioned by Greek Cypriot hands, and not by us. We didn't start the Bloodshed, and we certainly haven't ended it. It is the Greek Cypriot people who had said no to the Annan Plan, and they will always say no to such a Federal plan based on two states! What they obviously want is complete domination and control - Never!!!

All Turkish Cypriots must understand this.

If you think, denizaksulu, that the Greek Cypriots will ever sign a POWERSHARING deal with us under a federal umbrella, you seriously need to take a lesson from President Talat who also had to learn the hard way. He too once believed this, but now realises who and what the Greek Cypriots are - Ultra-Nationalists wanting domination. They do not, and will never accept us as equals.

Like with Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, we too can only be represented freely via our right to self determination.

A Federal Deal is just not possible with the Greek Cypriots at this time - they will need another 50 years to understand and appreciate how giving and respectful we are. We, as Turkish Cypriots, do not blow people up, do not commit crimes for independence. We didn't even close our doors after their resounding NO! We simply agreed and respected their decision and are now seeking a second chance via the UN with Talat and Christofias. Are we too SOFT! Perhaps? Perhaps we should toughen up and shut them out, just like the former Yugoslavian states did to each other.

Perhaps it really is time to push for our independence. Perhaps we should shelve this unification idea and go our separate ways?

Until now, Turkey has clearly compromised at a UN level with our TRNC. I believe Turkey should now work at helping us to gain complete international recognition. If they can achieve the recognition of the "Turkish Cypriot State" via the OIC, perhaps the rest is just formality. As a Turkish Cypriot, we need a united front.

I am open for compromise Denizaksulu.

Good morning MrH. First I must say that I am pleased with the civilised manner in which you have responded to my one line comment. I am also glad that you are open to compromise.

The way I see the 'Cyprus Problem' is different from most TC views to a certain degree.

To 'Partition' our Island is an outmoded ideal. This ideal was created to counter the GCs demands for Enosis. During the 50's and 60's our minds, (all Cypriots that is, whether Greek speaking, Armenian, Maronite and Turkish speaking Cypriots) were polarised.
I no longer see the necessity for partition simply because there is no more any demand for Enosis. Our Greek speaking compatriots (a majority) have realised this now. My first choice of a solution is an agreed complete re-unification of our island under a constitution which will have safeguards for all. (the finer details I will leave to the political minds -which I am not). Where possible all refugees gain access to their domiciles and land, or compensated.

Under the guardianship of the EU we should give this a serious thought.

Ofcourse this is a personal opinion, so I will at this stage add that I am opposed to systematic ethnic cleansing which has taken place (very efficiently I might add) I find this wrong. The destruction of Cyprus' cultural heritage was also wrong. This day and age we (or rather Turkey) has no right to 'gain' from the 'conquest'.

Turkey in 1974, had rightly under the treaty of guarantorship, 'intervened' and prevented the real or unreal 'threat of annihilation' of the TC population of Cyprus. Perhaps it was the GCs who gained more from this intervention at that time(ending of their own civil war). But once the threat had disappeared the Turkish Army should have withdrawn and all refugees returned to their homes. TC and GC refugees were still hoping for a time when they would be allowed to return to their homes. For some it may be too late. Time is passing slowly. I think we should strive to achieve peace on this island without the interference from Superpowers or others. I think we should give these peace talks a chance and I am aware they are not talking of a'complete re-unification' but a BBF. To me, this is a step towards eventual partition. I think the GCs will not accept this (referandum) and I am of the opinion that the current negotiators are wasting our time. I cannot but feel a sense of hypocrisy of intent about.

The puppet is held by too many strings.

Have a good day.

[MrH]

To all Greek Cypriots who answered exactly as expected!

How much I laughed when I read your retaliatory comments - especially from Get Real!

I deliberately set those points against the "Greek Cypriot GRAIN" in order to prove how UN-COMPROMISING most Greek Cypriot people are. If I had said, "Let's all live together, forget about the past and form a federation NOT based on two Constituent States and agree on the Dissolution of the TRNC and live under Greek Cypriot Domination" I would have obviously been the IDEAL Turkish Cypriot Girl!

Your answers were all TYPICAL and OBVIOUS, which is why I thought you'd all pass the test.

The Truth of the matter, UNFORTUNATELY, is that the Greek Cypriots can not face the reality that the TRNC exists, Cyprus is an ISLAND in Conflict, the EU made a mistake of allowing an ISLAND that is in dispute!

AND, when the Greek Cypriot Say NO to the next plan, we will be recognised!!!!

FINALLY - The Status Quo will not, and can not, last forever - something will have to GIVE - and that will be the EU suddenly having to recognise our Republic State AGAINST GREEK wishes as they did with KOSOVO!

International Law on the Right to Self-Determination runs much deeper that the pathetic explanation you cut and pasted - you'll need to visit more website than that! Try finding a paragraph that FORCES the TRNC to be dissolved under all of the so-called Humanitarian factors you all so consistently mention, and IMPLEMENT IT! Exactly, IT'S the IMPLEMENTATION Stage all Greek Cypriots are baffled with, and will always be.

IS KOSOVO Recognised by the Greek/Greek Cypriot World: NO!

IT IS SO TYPICAL that the GREEK CYPRIOT can not engage in meaningful dialogue, can not compromise, but result in lashing out, laughing out loud, annoying, GANGING-UP and then ACCUSING ONLY. AND YOU NOW WONDER WHY Turkey had to INTERVENE in 1963 and 1974.

I find it very hard how President Talat with GC leader Christofias - especially if he's like the Greek Cypriots in this forum. OBVIOUSLY, this forum is a GREEK CYPRIOT administered one, which is why I guess it's called the "CYPRUS FORUM" and not the FORUM for the ISLAND OF CYPRUS! Perhaps we should have a NORTHERN CYPRUS forum, maybe we Turkish Cypriots could then GANG-UP on the REST!

I rest my case!

NEXT SUBJECT.

[MrH]

Thanks Denizaksulu,

I will read your answer in more depth and will answer you shortly - just finishing a letter. I am also pleased that we can find a common ground.

Thanks.

[Tim Drayton]

The way I see the 'Cyprus Problem' is different from most TC views to a certain degree.

To 'Partition' our Island is an outmoded ideal. This ideal was created to counter the GCs demands for Enosis. During the 50's and 60's our minds, (all Cypriots that is, whether Greek speaking, Armenian, Maronite and Turkish speaking Cypriots) were polarised.
I no longer see the necessity for partition simply because there is no more any demand for Enosis. Our Greek speaking compatriots (a majority) have realised this now. My first choice of a solution is an agreed complete re-unification of our island under a constitution which will have safeguards for all. (the finer details I will leave to the political minds -which I am not). Where possible all refugees gain access to their domiciles and land, or compensated.

Under the guardianship of the EU we should give this a serious thought.

Ofcourse this is a personal opinion, so I will at this stage add that I am opposed to systematic ethnic cleansing which has taken place (very efficiently I might add) I find this wrong. The destruction of Cyprus' cultural heritage was also wrong. This day and age we (or rather Turkey) has no right to 'gain' from the 'conquest'.

Turkey in 1974, had rightly under the treaty of guarantorship, 'intervened' and prevented the real or unreal 'threat of annihilation' of the TC population of Cyprus. Perhaps it was the GCs who gained more from this intervention at that time(ending of their own civil war). But once the threat had disappeared the Turkish Army should have withdrawn and all refugees returned to their homes. TC and GC refugees were still hoping for a time when they would be allowed to return to their homes. For some it may be too late. Time is passing slowly. I think we should strive to achieve peace on this island without the interference from Superpowers or others. I think we should give these peace talks a chance and I am aware they are not talking of a'complete re-unification' but a BBF. To me, this is a step towards eventual partition. I think the GCs will not accept this (referandum) and I am of the opinion that the current negotiators are wasting our time. I cannot but feel a sense of hypocrisy of intent about.

The puppet is held by too many strings.

Have a good day.

These words above all make perfect sense to me.

I, too, find it hard to see how an agreement can be framed that will be accepted in a referendum by both the Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot communities.