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Re: TC Realities for the Greek Cypriot World

Postby Talisker » Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:31 pm

Hey MrH, poster of the most ridiculous post ever posted on this forum (and that's saying something!).......
MrH wrote:14) The CIA website clearly points to a Turkish Cypriot Controlled North and a Greek Cypriot Controlled South, and in no way mentions the word "Occupation".


Don't you think the CIA might have a reason for diluting, massaging, manipulating the 'facts'? After all, they played the role of the conductor leading the orchestra which led to the Turkish 'intervention'. You are pretty good at the manipulative approach yourself as your one-liner doesn't even accurately summarise the CIA information - see paragraph below:
note: a separation of the two ethnic communities inhabiting the island began following the outbreak of communal strife in 1963; this separation was further solidified after the Turkish intervention in July 1974 that followed a Greek junta-supported coup attempt gave the Turkish Cypriots de facto control in the north; Greek Cypriots control the only internationally recognized government; on 15 November 1983 Turkish Cypriot "President" Rauf DENKTASH declared independence and the formation of a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" (TRNC), which is recognized only by Turkey


Do you know what de facto means? It means 'acting or existing in fact but without legal sanction'. I think that somewhat qualifies the TC control in the north........

At least the CIA have the decency to accurately report some factual information:
'Greek Cypriots control the only internationally recognized government' , and the TRNC 'is recognized only by Turkey.

Don't be too proud at the exclusion of the word 'Occupation' - there are a lot of words the CIA could have used that it chose to conveniently leave out.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:09 am

anna-sh wrote:wheres oracle!!!:)


I'm right here! :)

Anna when you were a teenager (I assume you are not) and life got you down, the general advice ("Jackie Magazine" if you are my generation 8) ) was to make a list of what was right in your life, what you liked about your appearance and how many friends you had. It was just a confidence building exercise, and changed nothing in the great scheme of things. Looked at later, most was cringe-worthy :wink:

Well this is what MrH has done :)

He has made a long list of his own perceptions, in the most positive light possible, regardless of reality, in order to pick himself up off the floor, avoid suicide and learn to smile again.

So who am I to burst his inflated bubble? :D
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:19 am

Oracle wrote:
anna-sh wrote:wheres oracle!!!:)


I'm right here! :)

Anna when you were a teenager (I assume you are not) and life got you down, the general advice ("Jackie Magazine" if you are my generation 8) ) was to make a list of what was right in your life, what you liked about your appearance and how many friends you had. It was just a confidence building exercise, and changed nothing in the great scheme of things. Looked at later, most was cringe-worthy :wink:

Well this is what MrH has done :)

He has made a long list of his own perceptions, in the most positive light possible, regardless of reality, in order to pick himself up off the floor, avoid suicide and learn to smile again.

So who am I to burst his inflated bubble? :D

You, mental health nurse you! :lol:
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Re: TC Realities for the Greek Cypriot World

Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:46 am

MrH wrote:1) The TRNC exists - Full Stop!


I think, therefore I am! ... I think :?

2) The educational institutes of the TRNC are internationally recognised.


... as crap! (Ssshh truncating quotes is great! :lol: )

3) Unless a "Federal" agreement is agreed upon under the parameters of a (Founding) two state formula with a "Loose" central government, unification as WE all know it will never be achieved.


Gimee gimee gimee!

4) The TRNC may not be completely recognised, internationally, but it is a functioning state and democracy with many other countries that work very closely with it.


I'll waffle this one .... because Turkey recognises us and that is major!

5) The TRNC has a host of internationally recongised institutes and businesses working within it; from the construction industry, tourism, medical and retail to its banking sector and its government - like HSBC and MPs of the parliament of the TRNC (particularly at a UN and EU level - think about the ministers from the TRNC the EU consistently liaise with!).


If I name drop it would make me sound important!

6) Your President of the Greek Cypriot ROC has openly (publically)admitted and apologised for the bloodshed inflicted on our people in 1963.


Na ne na ne na naaaa! So there! :P

7) The year 1974 was a time of Conflict (recognised by the UN), a Greek Coup, and many Greek Cypriots fighting against the Ultra Nationalist EOKA B terrorist group. Turkey intervened in order to save the Turkish Cypriots and the GREEK Cypriot people. Remember, Greece was under military rule at that time, where the events in Cyprus had soon allowed Greece to return back to a Democratic government - forcefully!


I'll make like I know what I'm talking about and use all those wind-up words like "intervention" instead of "invasion" to show them I'm right on and tuff! :evil:

7) Do you see a military armada threatening the TRNC from the international community? Obviously not. We have a right to establish our own state, just like Kosovo, Montenegro and other nations had a right to self-determination. LIVE WITH IT!


Ooopps! ... I hope nobody notices I've used number 7) twice :oops:

8) Stop trying to argue about the so-called "OCCUPATION" of Northern Cyprus, when you know CLEARLY that the only way for Turkey to agree with you is to broker an ACCEPTABLE agreement based on THE REALITIES!


No one is listening by now so I should use some CAPITALS to wake them UP!.....
(Besides every time I try and write 8 with a ) next to it, it comes out as a cool emoticon) 8)

9) The 18% Myth regarding the population of the Turkish Cypriots is a clear indication of your basic missunderstanding of the word "Equality" and "Partnership", which was the wish of the British government for agreeing to the establishment of the 1960 republic. What difference does the size of the population of a country mean? NOTHING! Otherwise Greece would be the size of London! Right?


Let's bring Greece into this by any tenuous means possible ....

10) The amount of Territory presently under the TRNC BELONGS to the TRNC, and not an inch can be returned as WE believe it is our right. Our population could be 50'000 people - so what! It still will NOT give you the right to have it reduced, not that you've succeeded since 1974 anyway!!! Wake up and understand this reality.

Please, I'm begging now!

11) The Turkish troops currently under the command of the "Turkish Cypriot Forces" are their under our requirements and request, and do NOT occupy the TRNC! No other country in the world has brought this up besides your Hijacked Greek Cypriot Controlled ROC. It's Turkey that supports our Republic state, only, where even the most basic forms of humanitarian aide have been stopped by the GC Controlled ROC - how shameful
.

Hey, I'm really enjoying making stuff up. Let's go for broke and really push those boundaries of credibility :D

12) The current engagement in UN talks by GC leader Christofias is proof that the GC controlled ROC is not as "solid" as what people may believe, and the urgency and eagerness to start UN based talks by your leader shows how scared he was that the TRNC would obviously have gained Political ground/recognition if he and rejected President Talat's call. This is undeniable as even your leader said this in so many words!


I'll try a little reverse psychology and pretend I am worried they are not as "solid" as my **** :shock:

13) The so-called UN resolution 541 and 540 are ADVICE only, and NOT binding! But clearly the OIC and other nations with whom have a TRNC foriegn representative office (UK, Brussells, Italy etc) are now realising that those resolutions mean nothing, and in no way represents a realistic and up to date picture of the current state of affairs concerning the island.


Anarchy! Laws are made to be broken! Just try and stop us! :roll:

14) The CIA website clearly points to a Turkish Cypriot Controlled North and a Greek Cypriot Controlled South, and in no way mentions the word "Occupation".


They are our best buddies .... :wink:

15) The non-Facist Greek Cypriots know that they will have to broker a reasonable TWO-STATE deal, regardless! They know the mistakes made in the past and they particularly know that we are PARTNERS on the island and not Majority over Minority!


Let's call anyone not on our side a fascist, then they'll all want a TWO-STATE deal, if they want to be thought of as nice liberals.

16) The Guarantor status of Turkey will not, and can nvere be removed from the isalnd of Cyprus.


I'm getting drunk with success here, but I think my spelling is suffering :?

17) Finally, the GC Controlled ROC can never, and would never dare to use its so-called VETO rights in preventing Turkey from becoming a EU member state. This, as they clearly know, would legally push for the Turkish Cypriots to officially link with the Republic of Turkey as a Country state, similar to Wales and Scotland, the FALKLAND Islands of the United Kingdom!


Let me finish off with a threat using countries most of them can associate with ... this should make them see I am serious!
I wish!
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Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:48 am

OK .... I just couldn't resist! :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:53 am

Like with Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, we too can only be represented freely via our right to self determination.


self-determination means determining your own self and what belongs to you.

Based on what does Kerynia, Morfou, Famagusta and the north part of Cyprus in general fall under your "self-determination" when it belongs by over 80% to us?

Either you need to accept that there is only one Cypriot self-determination, or if there are separate self determinations then all of the above would fall under our self-determination, and what you would be left with are some small villages spread around Cyprus.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:55 am

Piratis wrote:
Like with Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, we too can only be represented freely via our right to self determination.


self-determination means determining your own self and what belongs to you.

Based on what does Kerynia, Morfou, Famagusta and the north part of Cyprus in general fall under your "self-determination" when it belongs by over 80% to us?

Either you need to accept that there is only one Cypriot self-determination, or if there are separate self determinations then all of the above would fall under our self-determination, and what you would be left with are some small villages spread around Cyprus.


Hold on another 1000 years will resolve matters.
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Postby Piratis » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:00 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Like with Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, we too can only be represented freely via our right to self determination.


self-determination means determining your own self and what belongs to you.

Based on what does Kerynia, Morfou, Famagusta and the north part of Cyprus in general fall under your "self-determination" when it belongs by over 80% to us?

Either you need to accept that there is only one Cypriot self-determination, or if there are separate self determinations then all of the above would fall under our self-determination, and what you would be left with are some small villages spread around Cyprus.


Hold on another 1000 years will resolve matters.


And what makes you think that you will manage to hold for 1000 years? Last time you had a whole empire and you lasted just over 300.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:02 am

Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Like with Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, we too can only be represented freely via our right to self determination.


self-determination means determining your own self and what belongs to you.

Based on what does Kerynia, Morfou, Famagusta and the north part of Cyprus in general fall under your "self-determination" when it belongs by over 80% to us?

Either you need to accept that there is only one Cypriot self-determination, or if there are separate self determinations then all of the above would fall under our self-determination, and what you would be left with are some small villages spread around Cyprus.


Hold on another 1000 years will resolve matters.


And what makes you think that you will manage to hold for 1000 years? Last time you had a whole empire and you lasted just over 300.


With no solution we will have to do our best.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:10 am

Viewpoint wrote:With no solution we will have to do our best.

If you can crawl to the roadblock I’ll give you a bitta of souvlakia… :lol:
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