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[Paphitis]

Just seen it on the news. They were axtreme right wingers shouting against federation and calling for union of Cyprus with Greece. The Minister of Education condemned the incidence.

That's what the news says in north as well ..... Fanatics(=extreme right wingers.)

Primer minister also called the TC's public stay calm ..... not to bother with them ....

we have similar people at north . Against the federation .... Also Soyer called to his young party members to get ready for election !!!!

Your fanatics are working for our fanatics ..... Some forum members still not realise that this is our last chance ...... UBP will come to power at next election in North . God knows how manys years they will be in the power again ....

What you seem to forget is that we all know that these talks will NOT be our last chance.

Always remember, that in the end we will ALWAYS prevail.

YOU need to realise that soon it will be Turkey who will be begging us to let her in to the EU.

We have a veto, and we will use it.

[Bananiot]

Your answer shows how little you understand things work Paphidis. Little Cyprus try to play it big in the past and this is where it got us. Do you really think we can stand in the way of the strategic planning of the big players in the region? You must be a lunatic to believe this.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

What are these strategies of the big players that we contradicted in the past and paid for our sins?

Patroclos Stavrou records an occasion when Makarios asked George Ball, US envoy, if Cyprus was doing something undesirable by US standards, or if it was ommitting from doing anything the US would have liked. And George Ball said no, everything Cyprus was doing was pretty much OK with the USA.

Before the invasion Cyprus had provided a VOA transmission post in Mia Milia, US planes used then and still use now the British SBAs, we have the British here, and we have our armed forces under NATO control via the Greek officers in the National Guard.

We joined the EU and would have joined NATO if we were not blocked by Turkey.

How much more can we do to fall in line with these "big boys"!

[bigOz]

Your answer shows how little you understand things work Paphidis. Little Cyprus try to play it big in the past and this is where it got us. Do you really think we can stand in the way of the strategic planning of the big players in the region? You must be a lunatic to believe this.

Erm! I am glad I am not the only one who worked that one out (long time ago)!

[bigOz]

Bananiot,

What are these strategies of the big players that we contradicted in the past and paid for our sins?

Patroclos Stavrou records an occasion when Makarios asked George Ball, US envoy, if Cyprus was doing something undesirable by US standards, or if it was ommitting from doing anything the US would have liked. And George Ball said no, everything Cyprus was doing was pretty much OK with the USA.

Before the invasion Cyprus had provided a VOA transmission post in Mia Milia, US planes used then and still use now the British SBAs, we have the British here, and we have our armed forces under NATO control via the Greek officers in the National Guard.

We joined the EU and would have joined NATO if we were not blocked by Turkey.

How much more can we do to fall in line with these "big boys"!

Why don't you read more recent history and find out what US standards really are when they attack another nation! If I were you I would not use that line as defence...

As for Greece and her loyalty to NATO, try finding out how Greece behaved towards enemies against whom NATO was created during the cold war. Then you can tell us how credible/dependable ally (not) Greece was. I can quote you what other things Makarios said about the mistakes GCs made re-TCs! Would you like to hear some?

[Nikitas]

Big OZ, maybe you too should go back to reading some history.

Greece fought a civil war that cost 600 000 lives to satisfy western anti communism, it sent a contingent to Korea, sealed off its borders with all its northern communist neighbors during the cold war. Had a huge contribution to NATO proportional to its size and GDP. For example, Holland, a much richer NATO member had contributed 50 planes, against Greece's 200 plus. So lay off the bullshit for once.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

Referring to fallin in line with the strategies of the "big boys" it is useful to refer to the eye witness accounts of Major Packard, member of British Naval Intelligence and active as a member of the peace keeping force in Cyprus in 1964.

He quotes George Ball as saying "son, you don't get it, the game here is partition" in response to Packard's showing him the villages where GC-TC relations had been restored.

Is this the strategy you want us to accept and follow?

[bigOz]

Big OZ, maybe you too should go back to reading some history.

Greece fought a civil war that cost 600 000 lives to satisfy western anti communism, it sent a contingent to Korea, sealed off its borders with all its northern communist neighbors during the cold war. Had a huge contribution to NATO proportional to its size and GDP. For example, Holland, a much richer NATO member had contributed 50 planes, against Greece's 200 plus. So lay off the bullshit for once.

You don't say? The same Greece allowed Russian naval vessels refreshment points at Greek ports against all objections by the allies. Not only that, they refused to take part in any NATO axercise or strategic activity for almost a decade!

Why don't you cut the bullshit and stop telling me to read the history you don't know...

[Nikitas]

"Not only that, they refused to take part in any NATO axercise or strategic activity for almost a decade! "

YOu are totally off the wall! Greece pulled out of the military wing of NATO following the invasion of 1974 in protest and then returned, I assume this is what you mean by the decade etc.. France pulled ouf in the same way way before and is still out. Are the French traitors to NATO too? There are Greek ships and troops in the Afghanistan campaign right now.

Russian ships anchor in INTERNATIONAL waters off the island of Kythira and for that reason Russia supports the Turkish objection to the 12 mile limit. If the waters are extended to 12 miles they would lose this free anchorage. There are NO OTHER facilities given the Russians.

The Americans have a huge naval base in Crete. By their account their most important base in the Med.

As proof of reliability of allies, go to the Greek cemetery in El Alamein, and in Rimini. Six hundred Greek volunteers died in Rimini, fighting AFTER Greece was liberated. How many Turkish casualties are there from the fight against Nazism?

[Bananiot]

Nikitas, start with the Czech and Russian arms that we secretly brought to Cyprus in 1963-4 which included tanks too. Then, perhaps we can look at the reasons why the west quoted Makarios as the Castro of the Mediterranean. All this at the height of the cold war. This is playing with fire Nikitas.