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Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:47 am

Piratis wrote:
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Piratis wrote:Yes GR, the Cypriots adopted the Minoan Script to form their own Script. And you know in what language the Cypriot Script was in? Greek. Again from a link you posted:

It’s interesting to observe Piratis’ Greek (or Greek-poisoned) mind not allowing him to give Cypriots a smidgen of credit for anything… he has twisted the invention of the Cypriot syllabic Alphabet around by claiming that Greeks on Cyprus invented it therefore it is Greek!

The constant undermining of Cyprus and incessant elevation of Greece is a centuries-old tactic to break the Cypriot spirit. Such is the ferocity of the war being fought against Cyprus mostly from WITHIN.


How do I undermine Cyprus when I say that Cypriots are, along with the other Greeks, the creators of the great Greek Civilization which is renowned around the world?

You are the one who is trying to reduce Cypriots to a mere pre-historic settlement and erase all our major achievements and take away the credit we deserve in creating (along with the rest of Greeks) the Greek civilization.

The Greek civilization my friend is not just Athens. There are many other places which help to develop the Greek civilization in its very initials stages at a time when Athens was still nothing, and Cyprus is one of those places.

You can not give the whole credit for the Greek Civilization to only some Greeks, and deny to us our valuable contribution.

Here’s a definition for “Mythology”…

“A collection of myths belonging to a people and addressing their origin, history, deities, ancestors, and heroes.“

What’s even sadder is that the Greek collection of myths that some Cypriots are so proud of does not even belong to them… :?

Technically, it’s a fantasy that someone else’s fantasy is your reality. :lol:

I can’t imagine anything psychologically sadder than that... :(
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Postby Oracle » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:04 am

denizaksulu wrote: there is the expression'common descent'.


Deniz do not struggle with a separate definition of Cypriot ethnicity and Greek ethnicity. The reason you will remain confused is because they are inseparable.

Look instead to the north and south of our Turkish occupied island and you will see a "perfect" example of separate ethnicities .... politically, culturally, religiously, ideologically and migratory .... Don't single out one factor, keep it human, keep it whole!
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:17 am

Oracle wrote:.... politically, culturally, religiously, ideologically and migratory .... Don't single out one factor, keep it human, keep it whole!

migratory-wise? :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:21 am

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:.... politically, culturally, religiously, ideologically and migratory .... Don't single out one factor, keep it human, keep it whole!

migratory-wise? :lol:


Habits!

Wise guy! :roll:
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Postby T_C » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:19 am

Well you have loads of Turkish words in your language, does that mean you are a little Turkish too? :? :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:03 am

deniz, you didn't give me your definition of ethnicity yet. Firstly what is your ethnicity? You say you are "Turkish Cypriot", right? So tell me why you are "Turkish Cypriot"? What makes you "Turkish Cypriot"? Did you go to your local laboratory and made a DNA test and they told you the result is that you are a "Turkish Cypriot"?

T_C, languages exchange words for 1000s of years. There is nothing new. The Turkish words we use are insignificant in comparison with the Greek words and words of Greek root which are used in most other European languages.

Here are some more maps for GR, first one from National Geographic.

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Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:07 am

Oracle wrote:This thread exemplifies what is best about this forum and the strengths of the key analysts we have here, Paphitis and Piratis.

GR! does what he does best, pushes the boundaries and goes all out to prove his flaky theories with mind improving results for all. :D

I'm going to enjoy spending a few hours reading this thread thoroughly ...

Keep up the good work one and all.

(Even Yialousa is coming out trumps ... :? )


i must say thank-you to you all as well...
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Postby Big Al » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:26 am

yes and we can also thank the greeks for this,

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And this,

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Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:50 am

Oracle wrote:This thread exemplifies what is best about this forum and the strengths of the key analysts we have here, Paphitis and Piratis.

GR! does what he does best, pushes the boundaries and goes all out to prove his flaky theories with mind improving results for all. :D

I'm going to enjoy spending a few hours reading this thread thoroughly ...

Keep up the good work one and all.

(Even Yialousa is coming out trumps ... :? )


I'am glad you like my post's but why are you confused?
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Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:55 am

GR look at all these findings from all over the Greek world, Crete, Cyprus and Mainland Greece very similar don't you think?

http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/shields1.htm

In the Greece mainland the earliest represenation of body-shield in figure-of-eight are from the circle A shaft-greave in Mycenae dated from LH I to LH II.
In a seal from greave III two warriors equipped with body-shields in figure-of-eight are represented. The shields show several bosses all around the edge, possible metal reinforcements placed on the leather rim

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From Knossos some wall paintings dated about LM II and LM IIIA1 (about 1500-1350 BC) which have been restored by Arthur Evans show colourful shields in figure-of eight. Similar example of body-shield used as decorative motif have been also discovered in Tiryns, Mycenae and Thebes


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The Achaean influence in the Cypriote area is well attested in these gold neck-laces elements in figure-of-eight shields dated Late Cypriote II (1450-1200 BC) respectively from Enkomi and Pyla-Kokkinokremos.


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http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/chariots.htm



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Several representations of dual-chariot are attested in the Achaean pottery coming from different mediterranean and Greek mainland areas. The first chariot depicted on a crater from Enkomi Cyprus dated around 1400 BC. the cab seems covered with scale reinforcements more likely metal decorations. The second is also from Cyprus dated from the same period. It is interesting because it has six-spoked wheels and the cab seems covered with ox-hide. The third one is another dual-chariot also from Enkomi Cyprus coming about from the same period. Another large Achaean dual-chariot with three men, depicted on a pottery from Aradippo Syria, is shown in the fourth image . The fifth image represent a dual-chariot from Mycenae dated LH IIIB (about 1300 BC). Inside this chariot three men with a large parasol are represented. The last image is very interesting because represent a dual-chariot depicted on an Achaean amphoroid krater fragment found in Tell el-Muqdam Egypt. This fragment has been found together other decorated faience fragments bearing cartouches of Ramesses II, Merneptah.

Miniature models of four-spoked wheels have been found in several Achaean settlement sites, as these bronze specimens from Mycenae.



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http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/ships.htm

An Achaean ship similar in design to the ones represented in the fresco from Thera with sterring oar and two passengers in the central cab and is also represented in this gold ring from Tiryns dated around 1500 BC.



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Clay model of a boat of Plain White Handmade ware, from Kazaphani Cyprus dated around 1350 BC. The model has holes on either side below the rim and dowel hole for mast. This is one of the largest models of a ship from the Late Bronze Age. Such models become commoner during the Cypro-Archaic period but they begin to appear in Cyprus already in the Middle Bronze Age Late Cypriote I-II period. This model represent more likely a large commercial ship similar to the ship that wrecked at Uluburun


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The Uluburun wreck is located at Uluburun, which is on the southwestern coast of Turkey near Kas. The wreck is located at a depth of more than 40 meters. The ship has been dated to the Late Bronze Age, with the more specific date of 1300 BC given by dendrochronological testing performed on dunnage or firewood found on the wreck. The Uluburun wreck has been crucial to the understanding of ship construction and trade in the Late Bronze Age. Pulak describes the wreck as "one of the wealthiest and largest known assemblages of Late Bronze Age trade goods yet discovered in the Mediterranean" . The cargo included nearly a ton of tin ingots and around ten tons of copper ingots from Cyprus. Other cargo finds include elephant and hippopotamus ivory, glass ingots, and bronze tools and weaponry. Interestingly, by examining the personal effects of the ship’s passengers as well as the cargo, archaeologists have hypothesized that there were at least two Mycenaeans aboard, likely men of rank serving as envoys.Some indications of the provenance of the ship and the “nationality” of its crew or merchants on board the ship may be gained from the utility wares (i.e. Cypriot jugs and Mycenaean deep bowls and cook-pots), perhaps also from the incised “trade marks” on the handles of amphora which can be claimed to be connected to the Cypro-Minoan I Script. These facts, taken with the location of the wreck, point to the coast of Cyprus, as the probable base of the ship, where large naval centres flourished at Enkomi, Kition, the site at Hala Sultan Tekke (Alyke), Palaipaphos and Maa-Palaiokastro or to the south coast of the Argolid, to important centres of naval power, also known from the Catalogue of Ships in the Iliad (*4) and from Hesiod’s Catalogue of Women (*5) to well-fortified Tiryns, Mases, and well-harboured Hermione and Asine

So much more but no time to post, enjoy GR. 8)
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