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[Get Real!]

Get Real!,

I have news for you. The earliest indisputable settlement was not in Khoirokitia but in Aetokremnos (Akrotiri).

http://www.asor.org/pubs/books-monographs/swiny.pdf

Happy reading!

Thanks for the post. I have read about all this in the past so I’m familiar with Aetokremnos being a known site of the earliest human presence on Cyprus but we don’t mention it here much because it is classified as a “rock shelter” rather than the full blown community “town” of Choirokitia.

[Paphitis]

Get Real!,

I have news for you. The earliest indisputable settlement was not in Khoirokitia but in Aetokremnos (Akrotiri).

http://www.asor.org/pubs/books-monographs/swiny.pdf

Happy reading!

Thanks for the post. I have read about all this in the past so I’m familiar with Aetokremnos being a known site of the earliest human presence on Cyprus but we don’t mention it here much because it is classified as a “rock shelter” rather than the full blown community “town” of Choirokitia.

I guess you could call all 300 Choirokitians a community.

[repulsewarrior]

anthropologically speaking, "Americans" are Germans. Canadians by the same definition are a race unto themselves. i don't underatnd this, but it is the conclusion of anthropoligists in Britain around the time Hitler was a young man forming his ideas about a "superior" race.

as Patriots imo, for example, Americans have no colour or origin but are committed to their State. Nationalists on the other hand, have identities as Persons where they choose to stand United, having as Individuals the same commitment to their country.

[BirKibrisli]

Are you half Greek by any chance like Oracle because it would explain a lot…

Answer the question Pirati...

I am 100% Greek, 100% Cypriot and 100% Limassolian.

The man is Greek... end of story.

Prove it,GR!
Where is your source????
Where is your reliable source?????
where is your reliable independent source????

[BlackBolt]

GR! you are seriously overdoing the 'super-Cypriot' routine and are in danger of becoming the new Miltiades. We all know you're a Cypriot and you love Cyprus so please stop waving your e-penis in everyone's faces and stop talking about a handful of cavemen like they were the greatest civilisation on Earth.

Fair enough you don't want to be 'Greek' or have anything to do with Greece but trying to convince yourself that you come from some forgotten ancient civilisation is beyond delusional. There is more chance that you're a Tourkosporo than a pure-blood ethnic Choirokitian so just accept it and move on.

The Choirokitians lived RIGHT HERE on this island whereas the Mycenaeans were 600 miles away in ANOTHER COUNTRY so the chances that any given Cypriot is of Mycenaean descend and not Choirokitian is equivalent to that of you winning Lotto. Only a Greek-brainwashed fool of mythological proportions could and would convince himself otherwise.

Dude let's be honest now. The Choirokitians weren't really up to much as far as ancient 'civilisations' go. It's not like they managed to spread their community over all of Cyprus or venture away from the island. They died out. You can't seriously think their bloodline (from 300 people who were probably from the Middle East anyway) survived down all the centuries of foreign rule (especially without getting diluted beyond recognition) to the present day.

The way I see it, the Greek Cypriots' ancestors turned up with those first explorers/traders/whatever from Greece in 1600BC and during the 'second wave' in 1100BC. We're not 'indiginous' in the sense that we evolved on Cyprus.

Obviously the Maronites came from Lebanon and the Turkish Puppets are the remnants/spawn of those that came over from the Turkish mainland during/since the Ottoman days.

Give it a rest now eh?

[michalis5354]

“Despite more than a century of excavation at Mycenaean palace sites, no one has ever excavated a Mycenaean town.”

http://www.archaeology.org/0801/abstracts/homer.html

Did Mycenaeans really exist or are they a figment of Homer’s imagination like the rest of Greek mythology?

“Maggidis, director of the Dickinson College Excavation Project and Survey in Mycenae, thinks he knows where the rest of the people, until now absent from the archaeological record, might be.”

Yeah, in Homer’s head…

Explain this then Doofus!

http://projectsx.dartmouth.edu/classics ... 19img.html

GR! with egg on his face.

Can either of you two, give us an undisputable definition of 'Colony' as referred to the 'Travelling Greeks' in Cyprus.

Also thanks for all the above info you all have gathered and posted. Both sides are credible. As usual, its the historians and the archealogists who are at loggerheads as to how these 'colonisations' or migrations of people have taken place. Keep it up.

I think I belong to the Chiroikitian school of thought. Keep up the good work boys. Its all fascinating reading.

Deniz,

Do you not have Hellenic ancestry yourself?

I remember reading about it.

No Deniz is of Choirokitian origin .

Even if the island had hellenic roots now it is independent . Independence = separate nationality and ethicity unless you give us an example of a country that is indepenedent and does not have a separate ethnicity.

Sure.

There are many countries that do not have a seperate ethnicity, unless you speak about the true indigenous peoples.

These countries include the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. These countries predomonantly share a common ethnicity that is mainly linked to Britain. They are also a mixture of many other European ethnicities and cultures, including Greek.

Nationality and Ethnicity are totally different things, but I guess you already know this.

My friend If you tell to an Australian or to an American he is British he willl throw you into the ocean straight away and this is my point here. While you are an Australian in Australia you are a Greek in Cyprus? Some people need to pay tax just for positing in the internet as the only thing they do is to downgrade the island into a puppet state and semi dependent state.

[Piratis]

My friend If you tell to an Australian or to an American he is British he willl throw you into the ocean straight away and this is my point here. While you are an Australian in Australia you are a Greek in Cyprus? Some people need to pay tax just for positing in the internet as the only thing they do is to downgrade the island into a puppet state and semi dependent state.

Why do they have the British flag in their own flag then?

And the main point here is that the Australians chose to have an independent country because that would serve their own interests better.

Cyprus and Greece were forced to be separate so we would be weaker and the UK/Turkey would serve their interests on our loss.

Would you make the same argument to an East or West German before the unification of Germany? Would you say to them: "It doesn't matter that some others forced you to be separate, now you have a separate state and you should therefore always be separate"?

[Paphitis]

“Despite more than a century of excavation at Mycenaean palace sites, no one has ever excavated a Mycenaean town.”

http://www.archaeology.org/0801/abstracts/homer.html

Did Mycenaeans really exist or are they a figment of Homer’s imagination like the rest of Greek mythology?

“Maggidis, director of the Dickinson College Excavation Project and Survey in Mycenae, thinks he knows where the rest of the people, until now absent from the archaeological record, might be.”

Yeah, in Homer’s head…

Explain this then Doofus!

http://projectsx.dartmouth.edu/classics ... 19img.html

GR! with egg on his face.

Can either of you two, give us an undisputable definition of 'Colony' as referred to the 'Travelling Greeks' in Cyprus.

Also thanks for all the above info you all have gathered and posted. Both sides are credible. As usual, its the historians and the archealogists who are at loggerheads as to how these 'colonisations' or migrations of people have taken place. Keep it up.

I think I belong to the Chiroikitian school of thought. Keep up the good work boys. Its all fascinating reading.

Deniz,

Do you not have Hellenic ancestry yourself?

I remember reading about it.

No Deniz is of Choirokitian origin .

Even if the island had hellenic roots now it is independent . Independence = separate nationality and ethicity unless you give us an example of a country that is indepenedent and does not have a separate ethnicity.

Sure.

There are many countries that do not have a seperate ethnicity, unless you speak about the true indigenous peoples.

These countries include the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. These countries predomonantly share a common ethnicity that is mainly linked to Britain. They are also a mixture of many other European ethnicities and cultures, including Greek.

Nationality and Ethnicity are totally different things, but I guess you already know this.

My friend If you tell to an Australian or to an American he is British he willl throw you into the ocean straight away and this is my point here. While you are an Australian in Australia you are a Greek in Cyprus? Some people need to pay tax just for positing in the internet as the only thing they do is to downgrade the island into a puppet state and semi dependent state.

I live in Australia. I am an Australian National. But this does not change my heritage now does it? I am still a Cypriot of Greek descent but born in Australia. So cut the crap.

The chief of staff of the Australian Armed Forces is Greek no less (albeit symbolic and ceremonial), and is the husband of Queen Elizabeth. Queen Elizabeth is still Queen of Australia. The Union Jack is in the top left hand corner of our flag. Every institution has ROYAL as its prefix.

You ask an Australian what their nationality is then they will tell you that they are Australian. If you ask of their heritage, then even the Australians whose descendants where the first arrivals will tell you exactly their heritage and with pride. This may predominately be English, Scottish, or Irish. We are talking about families that have been in Australia since the 1700s as well.

Australians do not deny their family roots whatever they may be.

But, if you tell an Australian he is British, then this could be quite insulting. You do not tell an Australian he is British. You ask about their heritage and they will give you an honest answer.

Also bear in mind that some years ago we had a referendum on becoming a Republic and ditching the crown. The royalists won this referendum. So what does that tell you Einstein?

Do not confuse Australian competitiveness with Britain in particular as some kind of denial of heritage. Australia and Britain do have many rivalries but that is where it ends. There is nothing malicious about it. There are almost 1 million Australian citizens living in London, so the British links are very strong amongst Australians.

[michalis5354]

My friend If you tell to an Australian or to an American he is British he willl throw you into the ocean straight away and this is my point here. While you are an Australian in Australia you are a Greek in Cyprus? Some people need to pay tax just for positing in the internet as the only thing they do is to downgrade the island into a puppet state and semi dependent state.

Why do they have the British flag in their own flag then?

And the main point here is that the Australians chose to have an independent country because that would serve their own interests better.

Cyprus and Greece were forced to be separate so we would be weaker and the UK/Turkey would serve their interests on our loss.

Would you make the same argument to an East or West German before the unification of Germany? Would you say to them: "It doesn't matter that some others forced you to be separate, now you have a separate state and you should therefore always be separate"?

We discussed this before Piratis. The option of Indepenedence was not put in front of the people to decide. The Options that people were forced to choose were only 2 Enosis and british rule so they were forced to accept the less evil of the 2 as proper independence was missing as an option. Dont you agree that they option of Indepenedence should had been as a legal option for people to choose in a proper refernedum and not be forced by a group (EOKA) for Enosis. And why do you thing some GCs were killed who t were opposed to ENOSIS ALONG with MANY others who were forced to remain SILENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Oracle]

My friend If you tell to an Australian or to an American he is British he willl throw you into the ocean straight away and this is my point here. While you are an Australian in Australia you are a Greek in Cyprus? Some people need to pay tax just for positing in the internet as the only thing they do is to downgrade the island into a puppet state and semi dependent state.

Why do they have the British flag in their own flag then?

And the main point here is that the Australians chose to have an independent country because that would serve their own interests better.

Cyprus and Greece were forced to be separate so we would be weaker and the UK/Turkey would serve their interests on our loss.

Would you make the same argument to an East or West German before the unification of Germany? Would you say to them: "It doesn't matter that some others forced you to be separate, now you have a separate state and you should therefore always be separate"?

Yes, but you are not advocating now that we need to unite with Greece are you Piratis? Or even that we need to have another "plebiscite" on the matter, right?