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[Paphitis]

The Mycenaean Greeks first reached Cyprus around 1600 BC, with settlements dating from this period scattered all over the island. Another wave of Greek settlement is believed to have taken place in the period 1100-1050 BC, with the island's predominantly Greek character dating from this period

Paphiti, what you posted is the OLD theory which is now being slowly laid to rest including the alleged year of the Mycenaean “arrival” now moved to 1200-1300BC instead of 1600BC.

In the past, archeologists and historians would find 100 Persian style pots, as an example, in Scotland say and automatically assume that Persians “must have” overrun and dominated the Scots! Such was the stupidity of assumptions with which “history” was written. The “Mycenaean arrival” theory is also based on gadgets found on the island but it never occurred to anyone that they may have been purchased from them or even copied here.

Using the old erroneous frame of mind, the archaeologist of 5,000AD could be forgiven for thinking that the whole world was conquered by the Japanese in the 20th century after finding traces of Japanese car parts all over the world!

I'm loving the theory that the cleverest and most advanced cultures were not expansionist at all, they never really invaded and settled anywhere new, but sneaked into strategic locations at the dead of night and left a few hidden souvenirs so that a few thousand years later archaeologists and historians would confer 'empire' status upon them.

And thanks for explaining my feelings of kinship with the Iranians.

I'm thinking of burying my jocks in my back yard in the hope that future generations will find them and write all sorts of articles about how I traveled 10,000 miles and restored order in my peasant neighborhood.

Are you sure you don't mean your G String?

You better get The Victoria Secret catalogue out!

[denizaksulu]

“Despite more than a century of excavation at Mycenaean palace sites, no one has ever excavated a Mycenaean town.”

http://www.archaeology.org/0801/abstracts/homer.html

Did Mycenaeans really exist or are they a figment of Homer’s imagination like the rest of Greek mythology?

“Maggidis, director of the Dickinson College Excavation Project and Survey in Mycenae, thinks he knows where the rest of the people, until now absent from the archaeological record, might be.”

Yeah, in Homer’s head…

Explain this then Doofus!

http://projectsx.dartmouth.edu/classics ... 19img.html

GR! with egg on his face.

Can either of you two, give us an undisputable definition of 'Colony' as referred to the 'Travelling Greeks' in Cyprus.

Also thanks for all the above info you all have gathered and posted. Both sides are credible. As usual, its the historians and the archealogists who are at loggerheads as to how these 'colonisations' or migrations of people have taken place. Keep it up.

I think I belong to the Chiroikitian school of thought. Keep up the good work boys. Its all fascinating reading.

[Paphitis]

“Despite more than a century of excavation at Mycenaean palace sites, no one has ever excavated a Mycenaean town.”

http://www.archaeology.org/0801/abstracts/homer.html

Did Mycenaeans really exist or are they a figment of Homer’s imagination like the rest of Greek mythology?

“Maggidis, director of the Dickinson College Excavation Project and Survey in Mycenae, thinks he knows where the rest of the people, until now absent from the archaeological record, might be.”

Yeah, in Homer’s head…

Explain this then Doofus!

http://projectsx.dartmouth.edu/classics ... 19img.html

GR! with egg on his face.

Can either of you two, give us an undisputable definition of 'Colony' as referred to the 'Travelling Greeks' in Cyprus.

Also thanks for all the above info you all have gathered and posted. Both sides are credible. As usual, its the historians and the archealogists who are at loggerheads as to how these 'colonisations' or migrations of people have taken place. Keep it up.

I think I belong to the Chiroikitian school of thought. Keep up the good work boys. Its all fascinating reading.

Deniz,

Do you not have Hellenic ancestry yourself?

I remember reading about it.

[denizaksulu]

“Despite more than a century of excavation at Mycenaean palace sites, no one has ever excavated a Mycenaean town.”

http://www.archaeology.org/0801/abstracts/homer.html

Did Mycenaeans really exist or are they a figment of Homer’s imagination like the rest of Greek mythology?

“Maggidis, director of the Dickinson College Excavation Project and Survey in Mycenae, thinks he knows where the rest of the people, until now absent from the archaeological record, might be.”

Yeah, in Homer’s head…

Explain this then Doofus!

http://projectsx.dartmouth.edu/classics ... 19img.html

GR! with egg on his face.

Can either of you two, give us an undisputable definition of 'Colony' as referred to the 'Travelling Greeks' in Cyprus.

Also thanks for all the above info you all have gathered and posted. Both sides are credible. As usual, its the historians and the archealogists who are at loggerheads as to how these 'colonisations' or migrations of people have taken place. Keep it up.

I think I belong to the Chiroikitian school of thought. Keep up the good work boys. Its all fascinating reading.

Deniz,

Do you not have Hellenic ancestry yourself?

I remember reading about it.

Hellenic , not likely. Cypriot?, who can deny it. I met my GC relatives last August. They told me themselves that our great grandmothers were sisters. It is possible that they were 'Linobambakoi'. But they ( the GCs)argued that the great grandmother was Turkish Cypriot. Who knows? No records from the earlier forbears.. They speak perfect Turkish. My family spoke perfect Greek. Speaking Greek would not make them Hellenic would it?

[alexISS]

Get Real!
Are you a PhD certified historian? If not, stop wasting your and others' time by trying to rewrite history just to fit your Chirokitian empire in it. May I suggest you devote your efforts to the noble cause of the flat earth society instead? You're more likely to succeed there
Here is the link http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/

[Paphitis]

“Despite more than a century of excavation at Mycenaean palace sites, no one has ever excavated a Mycenaean town.”

http://www.archaeology.org/0801/abstracts/homer.html

Did Mycenaeans really exist or are they a figment of Homer’s imagination like the rest of Greek mythology?

“Maggidis, director of the Dickinson College Excavation Project and Survey in Mycenae, thinks he knows where the rest of the people, until now absent from the archaeological record, might be.”

Yeah, in Homer’s head…

Explain this then Doofus!

http://projectsx.dartmouth.edu/classics ... 19img.html

GR! with egg on his face.

Can either of you two, give us an undisputable definition of 'Colony' as referred to the 'Travelling Greeks' in Cyprus.

Also thanks for all the above info you all have gathered and posted. Both sides are credible. As usual, its the historians and the archealogists who are at loggerheads as to how these 'colonisations' or migrations of people have taken place. Keep it up.

I think I belong to the Chiroikitian school of thought. Keep up the good work boys. Its all fascinating reading.

Deniz,

Do you not have Hellenic ancestry yourself?

I remember reading about it.

Hellenic , not likely. Cypriot?, who can deny it. I met my GC relatives last August. They told me themselves that our great grandmothers were sisters. It is possible that they were 'Linobambakoi'. But they ( the GCs)argued that the great grandmother was Turkish Cypriot. Who knows? No records from the earlier forbears.. They speak perfect Turkish. My family spoke perfect Greek. Speaking Greek would not make them Hellenic would it?

No off course not.

However, there is substantiated evidence that GCs and TCs are closely related. Which means that many TCs do have Hellenic/Choirokitian Links.

Dividing people into ethnicities is like splitting hairs. We are the same, except for our social and cultural conditioning which divides us into ethnic groups.

BTW GR!

I think I deserve a sperate category called The Mycenaeans!

Given that their footprint on Cyprus is so LARGE, I think they are deserving of a voice.

Therefore please add this category:

THE MYCENAEANS!

Paphiti

[denizaksulu]

“Despite more than a century of excavation at Mycenaean palace sites, no one has ever excavated a Mycenaean town.”

http://www.archaeology.org/0801/abstracts/homer.html

Did Mycenaeans really exist or are they a figment of Homer’s imagination like the rest of Greek mythology?

“Maggidis, director of the Dickinson College Excavation Project and Survey in Mycenae, thinks he knows where the rest of the people, until now absent from the archaeological record, might be.”

Yeah, in Homer’s head…

Explain this then Doofus!

http://projectsx.dartmouth.edu/classics ... 19img.html

GR! with egg on his face.

Can either of you two, give us an undisputable definition of 'Colony' as referred to the 'Travelling Greeks' in Cyprus.

Also thanks for all the above info you all have gathered and posted. Both sides are credible. As usual, its the historians and the archealogists who are at loggerheads as to how these 'colonisations' or migrations of people have taken place. Keep it up.

I think I belong to the Chiroikitian school of thought. Keep up the good work boys. Its all fascinating reading.

Deniz,

Do you not have Hellenic ancestry yourself?

I remember reading about it.

Hellenic , not likely. Cypriot?, who can deny it. I met my GC relatives last August. They told me themselves that our great grandmothers were sisters. It is possible that they were 'Linobambakoi'. But they ( the GCs)argued that the great grandmother was Turkish Cypriot. Who knows? No records from the earlier forbears.. They speak perfect Turkish. My family spoke perfect Greek. Speaking Greek would not make them Hellenic would it?

No off course not.

However, there is substantiated evidence that GCs and TCs are closely related. Which means that many TCs do have Hellenic/Choirokitian Links.

Dividing people into ethnicities is like splitting hairs. We are the same, except for our social and cultural conditioning which divides us into ethnic groups.
BTW GR!

I think I deserve a sperate category called The Mycenaeans!

Given that their footprint on Cyprus is so LARGE, I think they are deserving of a voice.

Therefore please add this category:

THE MYCENAEANS

Paphiti

The last sentence addressed to makes the most sense.

But then the Hellenes also come under that category too. They too were made up of a myriad of peoples living in the Balkans/ Greece.

The Cypriots might have been spiced up with the 'seafarers/colonists' just as the TCs of Cypriote origin have been 'spiced up with the Ottoman/Turkish culture. Add to that 'religion' too. Doubtless there are many of Turkish ancestry also. Who cares except the extremists. We are all Cypriots and should learn to live together IN PEACE.

[Oracle]

And all because GR! thinks the Turks will just up and leave as soon as we all say we are Choirokitians and not of Hellenic descent

How they must be laughing ....

[DT.]

You can all call yourselves Eskimoes if you like. It still won't make a heck of a difference.

[Piratis]

The Greek language, religion (first Olympus Gods and the Orthodox Christianity) and culture have been the main language/religion/culture of Cyprus for 1000s of years, since the very beginning of our history. (history = the period for which there are written records which have been decoded).

Even the Cypriot Syllabary that GR! refers to was used to write Greek, and the Phoenicians came to Cyprus some 100s of years after the Greeks and settlers only on the east of the island. Cyprus is as Greek as any other Greek island territory or island.

As Paphitis said ethnicity is about common identity which usually derives from common language, religion and culture. It is not about "pure blood" (whatever that is), since people move and mix all the time (unless you live in some lost tribe in the Amazon).

If it was about "pure blood" then we could say that there are almost no Turks in Asia Minor today, since the original Turks were Asian/Mongolian, not Caucasian/Indo-Eurpean. Still they call themselves "Turks" because that is how they choose to identify the people that share the same language/religion/culture.

So from a scientific and historic point of view there is no doubt that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots are Greek, and that this has always been the case for 1000s of years.

Now if you want to make the claim that for political reasons we should change the identity of the Cypriot people, then make an argument for that.

Sure, if we all decided that we are just Cypriots, that could solve the problems between us (but not our problems with foreigners, who will still want a part of our land). But is it possible to change the ethnicity and identity of people like that?

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

And should we do it?

Would the TCs do the same, or they will continue to want division and partition because that would suit them better. Why would the want to be "just Cypriots" and have their fair share of 18% of land/power etc, while when they insist to stay separate they can take a lot more than that (or so they believe)?

And while Turkey and UK want to tear Cyprus apart so they can keep their troops and their control here, would it be wise to alienate the rest of Greeks, and stay alone and unsupported?