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Slowly but surely the truth is coming out...

In the later phase of the late Bronze Age (LCIIIA, 1200-1100 BC) great amounts of 'Mycenean' IIIC:1b pottery were produced locally. New architectural features include cyclopean walls, found on the Greek mainland, as well and a certain type of rectangular stepped capitals, endemic on Cyprus. Chamber tombs are given up in favour of shaft graves. Many scholars therefore believed that Cyprus was settled by Mycenean Greeks by the end of the Bronze Age. But this view has increasingly been criticised in recent years, as there is no distinct break in most areas of material culture between the LCIIC (1400-1200 BC) and LCIII. Large amounts of IIIC:1b pottery are found in Palestine during this period as well. While this was formerly interpreted as evidence of an invasion ('Sea Peoples'), this is seen more and more as an indigenous development, triggered by increasing trade relations with Cyprus and Crete. Evidence of early trade with Crete is found in archaeological recovery on Cyprus of pottery from Cydonia, a powerful urban center of ancient Crete

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cyprus

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The CyProb member’s classification list update II…


0. The Charlies:

Bill C, Magnus, RichardB,


1. The kindergarten:

Dinos Skaliotis, Riccos, Big Al, XNilX, Kurupetos, lovemetender?, BlackBolt, doesntmatter, Ayse, yialousa, Oracle, Paphitis


2. The “floating voters”:

T_C, Askimwos, DT, Deniz, Iceman, Humanist, Nikitas, Repulsewarrior, Boomers, paliometoxo, Utu


3. The Ottoman remnants:

Halil, VP, Observer, Zanny, BigOz, turkkan


4. The false prophets:

BirKibrisli, Andros, Bananiot, Miltiades


5. The oddballs:

Kikapu, free_cyprus, Karma, CBBB, Floda, Filitsa, Eliko, CopperLine


6. The foreign affairs department:

Talisker, Mills Chapman, Tim Drayton


7. The half-Spartan warriors:

Piratis, Sotos, Pyro, Kifeas, Rafaella, growuptcs, pantheman


8. The…“I like it Greek”:

Alexis, Nikiforos, Epsilon, Pappy Sydney,


9. The Choirokitians…

GR, michalis5354



NB: Oracle and Paphitis have both been relegated to kindergarten status for mocking the island’s most ancient community on several occasions. It takes a lot of detachment from Cypriotness and/or ignorance to display that level of incessant rudeness towards the ancestors of the indigenous Cypriot… a well earned downgrade.

[Paphitis]

Slowly but surely the truth is coming out...

In the later phase of the late Bronze Age (LCIIIA, 1200-1100 BC) great amounts of 'Mycenean' IIIC:1b pottery were produced locally. New architectural features include cyclopean walls, found on the Greek mainland, as well and a certain type of rectangular stepped capitals, endemic on Cyprus. Chamber tombs are given up in favour of shaft graves. Many scholars therefore believed that Cyprus was settled by Mycenean Greeks by the end of the Bronze Age. But this view has increasingly been criticised in recent years, as there is no distinct break in most areas of material culture between the LCIIC (1400-1200 BC) and LCIII. Large amounts of IIIC:1b pottery are found in Palestine during this period as well. While this was formerly interpreted as evidence of an invasion ('Sea Peoples'), this is seen more and more as an indigenous development, triggered by increasing trade relations with Cyprus and Crete. Evidence of early trade with Crete is found in archaeological recovery on Cyprus of pottery from Cydonia, a powerful urban center of ancient Crete

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cyprus

You should have included the previous paragraph which states the following:

In the Bronze Age the first cities, like Enkomi, were built. Systematic copper mining began, and this resource was widely traded. The Cypriot syllabic script was first used in early phases of the late Bronze Age (LCIB) and continued in use for ca. 500 years into the to LC IIIB, maybe up to the second half of the eleventh century BC. Most scholars believe it was used for a native Cypriot language (Eteocypriot) that survived until the 4th century BC, but the actual proofs for this are scant, as the tablets still have not been completely deciphered.

But in order to enrichen the debate, here are some known facts:

Cyprus is the mythical birthplace of Aphrodite, Adonis and home to King Cinyras, Teucer and Pygmalion.[12] The earliest confirmed site of human activity is Aetokremnos, situated on the south coast, indicating that hunter-gatherers were active on the island from around 10,000 BC, with settled, village communities dating from 8200 BC. Important remains from this early Neolithic period can be found at Shillourokambos, Kastros, and Khirokitia, where decorated pottery and figurines of stone quite distinct from the cultures of the surrounding mainland survive. The Mycenaean Greeks first reached Cyprus around 1600 BC, with settlements dating from this period scattered all over the island. Another wave of Greek settlement is believed to have taken place in the period 1100-1050 BC, with the island's predominantly Greek character dating from this period. Several Phoenician colonies were founded in the 8th century BC, like Kart-Hadasht ('New Town'), near present day Larnaca and Salamis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Now lets look at the extent to which Choirokitia flourished in Cypriot prehistory:

Choirokoitia

Choirokoitia (also known as Khirokitia) is one of the most important prehistorical sites in the eastern Mediterranean area. The site is only partly recovered, and archaelogical work is still going on.

Human life in Choirokoitia started around 7000 BC, in the Neolithicum. Where the people came from is not known for sure. It is possible that the neolithic villages on Cyprus were a result of colonization from the Middle East.

What do we know about the people that lived here? The village probably had about 300 inhabitants. They practised agriculture and animal husbandry, and didn't usually live longer than 35 years. One of their most remarkable customs was to bury their dead under the floors of the houses of the living relatives. In this way the dead remained close to the living.

http://www.worldheritagesite.org/sites/ ... oitia.html

The settlement of Khirokitia is situated on the slope of a hill in the valley of the Maroni River towards the southern coast of the island about 6 km from the sea.

Subsistence methods practiced by its Neolithic inhabitants included farming crops and herding cattle.

It is a closed village, cut off from the outside world, apart from by the river, by a strong wall of stones 2.5 m thick and 3 m at its highest preserved level. Access into the village was probably via several entry points through the wall.

The buildings within this wall consist of round structures huddled close together. The lower parts of these buildings are often of stone and attain massive proportions by constant additions of further skins of stones. Their external diameter varies between 2.3 m and 9.20 m while the internal diameter is only between 1.4 m and 4.80 m. A collapsed flat roof of one building found recently indicates that not all roofs were dome shaped as was originally believed.

The internal divisions of each hut were according to the purpose of its usage. Low walls, platforms designated work, rest or storage areas. They had hearths presumably used for cooking and heating, benches and windows and in many cases there is evidence of piers to support an upper floor. It is believed that the huts were like rooms several of which were grouped around an open courtyard and together formed the home.

The population of the village at any one time is thought not to have exceeded 300 to 600 inhabitants. The people were rather short - the men about 1.61 m on average and the women about 1.51 m. Infant mortality was very high and life expectancy was about 22 years. On average adult men reached 35 years of age and women 33. The dead were buried in crouched positions just under the floors of the houses. In some instances provision was made for offerings so presumably a form of ancestor cult existed inside households.

http://www.mlahanas.de/Cyprus/Geo/Choirokoitia.html

[Paphitis]

GR! said:

Slowly but surely the truth is coming out...

It would help a lot if you copy and paste ALL the facts instead of only including the parts which suit your false argument.



Also posted by GR! in another thread:

Her problem isn't a "pro-northern" stance but a complete lack of knowledge and supporting evidence on everything she posts.

We're even happy for someone to come and claim that planet earth is a rectangle and would be willing to accept their theory provided they have the evidence to back it. Simple...

Likewise GR! The problem is not the Pro Choirokitian stance, but it is a complete lack of knowledge and supporting evidence for your argument that we have an issue with.

[yialousa1971]

Slowly but surely the truth is coming out...

In the later phase of the late Bronze Age (LCIIIA, 1200-1100 BC) great amounts of 'Mycenean' IIIC:1b pottery were produced locally. New architectural features include cyclopean walls, found on the Greek mainland, as well and a certain type of rectangular stepped capitals, endemic on Cyprus. Chamber tombs are given up in favour of shaft graves. Many scholars therefore believed that Cyprus was settled by Mycenean Greeks by the end of the Bronze Age. But this view has increasingly been criticised in recent years, as there is no distinct break in most areas of material culture between the LCIIC (1400-1200 BC) and LCIII. Large amounts of IIIC:1b pottery are found in Palestine during this period as well. While this was formerly interpreted as evidence of an invasion ('Sea Peoples'), this is seen more and more as an indigenous development, triggered by increasing trade relations with Cyprus and Crete. Evidence of early trade with Crete is found in archaeological recovery on Cyprus of pottery from Cydonia, a powerful urban center of ancient Crete

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cyprus

Wikipedia is not a good source as it can be edited by anybody.

Some Anthropological data.

The most complete study of Greek skeletal material from Neolithic to modern times was carried out by American anthropologist J. Lawrence Angel who found that in the early age racial variability in Greece was 7% above average, indicating that the Greeks had multiple origins within the Europid racial family. Angel noted that from the earliest times to the present “racial continuity in Greece is striking.” Buxton who had earlier studied Greek skeletal material and measured modern Greeks, especially in Cyprus, finds that the modern Greeks “possess physical characteristics not differing essentially from those of the former [ancient Greeks].”

Ancient Shipping

The Aegean has since prehistoric times been a sea that has united rather than separated the large or small islands. Between these islands, there were narrow sea passages and shallow gulfs, accessible by some primitive sailing means. Navigation in the Aegean, has been testified by the tools made of Melian obsidian which were found in Franchthi Cave in Hermionid (at the eastern coast of the Peloponnese, a distance of 80 nautical miles (approximately 150 kilometers) from Melos. Tools made of Melian obsidian also found on Crete (Knossos) and on Cyprus, substantiate the existence of sea routes in the Aegean from the Early till the Final Neolithic (6800-3200 BC). They made a boat exclusively from papyrus, an aquatic plant which can be found near water areas of Greece ( as well as on the river Nile in Egypt). A similar boat was used until recently in Kerkyra. The "papyrela" could easily travel from Lavrion to Milos. Its crew would use kayak oars for navigation. It has also been proven that men in the Greek prehistoric period could travel by sea using natural material offered by the domestic world of Greece and also using simple techniques such as the one of straw mats.

[yialousa1971]

My classification should be "I'am Greek and want Enosis".

Yialousa,

No one believes you are GC. You continuously make stupid comments such as this and you expect us to take you seriously.

First of all, there is absolutely no reason or incentive for ENOSIS. In case you have not realised, Cyprus is a part of the EU.

I think GR needs to downgrade you into the Kindergarten. You purpose here is very damaging to our cause.

Ha ha, he did but he also put you there and guess what your last, that makes you the Moro! Now take this and be quiet!

[yialousa1971]

Get Real! ... You haven't listened to a word I've said!

Why am I still with the floaters?

And Yialousa should definitely be in the "False Prophets" section.

You too are now with me but atleast your not last like baby Paphitis.

[Paphitis]

My classification should be "I'am Greek and want Enosis".

Yialousa,

No one believes you are GC. You continuously make stupid comments such as this and you expect us to take you seriously.

First of all, there is absolutely no reason or incentive for ENOSIS. In case you have not realised, Cyprus is a part of the EU.

I think GR needs to downgrade you into the Kindergarten. You purpose here is very damaging to our cause.

Ha ha, he did but he also put you there and guess what your last, that makes you the Moro! Now take this and be quiet!

That's OK Yialousa. For someone who has posted about 100 Greek Flags on this forum, you are actually deserving of your category.

As for Oracle and I, we are only there because GR! could not defeat us in debate, and so this is his only means of retribution.

Now run along Turk. Grab your Turkish Doll and go play in the traffic.

[Get Real!]

The Mycenaean Greeks first reached Cyprus around 1600 BC, with settlements dating from this period scattered all over the island. Another wave of Greek settlement is believed to have taken place in the period 1100-1050 BC, with the island's predominantly Greek character dating from this period

Paphiti, what you posted is the OLD theory which is now being slowly laid to rest including the alleged year of the Mycenaean “arrival” now moved to 1200-1300BC instead of 1600BC.

In the past, archeologists and historians would find 100 Persian style pots, as an example, in Scotland say and automatically assume that Persians “must have” overrun and dominated the Scots! Such was the stupidity of assumptions with which “history” was written. The “Mycenaean arrival” theory is also based on gadgets found on the island but it never occurred to anyone that they may have been purchased from them or even copied here.

Using the old erroneous frame of mind, the archaeologist of 5,000AD could be forgiven for thinking that the whole world was conquered by the Japanese in the 20th century after finding traces of Japanese car parts all over the world!

[michalis5354]

Oracle , GR have already upgraded my statues ! Thank you GR!

Status not statues...

Thank you for the corection. Unlike some others I was not born overseas , pretending to be Greek or English like a Chamoleon.

Tanistigima memnun oldum .



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chameleon

Ben dahi.

Michalis is a very simple creature ... takes comfort in that which no man has control over! His little brain cannot comprehend the myriad complexities of life

Inflexible calcified brain that he has, cannot accept that I, so different to him, was indeed born amongst the donkeys in a most typical Cypriot village, but which now can "boast" the most Anglophones

And he may have inadvertently shot himself in the foot, with whom he was trying to ally

It's OK ... he will not comprehend a word of this!

While you the pseudo scientist has an advanced knowledge for everything that can be disputed by basic human facts.

May I refer to you a reserach published 2 weeks ago by politis and sponsored by IBM published in an american journal that almost 20,000 Cypriots are of phoenician origin that have settled in Cyprus , Malta , Syria and Tynisia. Of course you will ignore this as does not allign with your pseudo facts. This is how simple minds work!