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[Kifeas]

And?? Kifeas asks

And Cyprus does not have to use its veto because several other EU member states will do so much before it comes down to Cyprus using it.

Germany and France both have stressed their opposition to full membership for Turkey. They are the leading members right now. There is no way on earth that the architects of the EU will allow any incoming state to have the largest number of EU commissioners and MEPs.

And you think this is good news, or bad news?

[Bananiot]

You are talking rubbish as per normal Kifeas and resort to name calling because you cannot cope with reality. You have forgotten than one Cypriot hand, the one of your protege, the former President Papadopoulos, signed the resolution of the EU Commision that was praising Turkey for her efforts to solve the Cyprus problem and called your favourite country to carry on as you were.

Do not be surprised when I say that Turkey is your country, for in practice, your insistence to veto Turkey will be disasterous for us if we heeded your urge but you of course you have demonstrated very well on numerous occasions that you only care for legalistic issues that do not have any practical results and you choose to ignore the political aspects which are by far the most important and will eventually decide the fate of this country.

Now, bear in mind that only a real karagkiozis would comment on other peoples party affiliation while keeping his a carefully kept secret. As far as I am concerned, you can be a member of any party, no matter how small or big it is and I will not hold it against you. I learned a long time ago that the truth has nothing to do with statistics.

[Nikitas]

Neither, it simply will not come to the point where the Cyprus FM will stand up and say "Veto" in an EU summit.

The opposition of major EU nations taking this stance is a fact which has both positive and negative ramifications for Cyprus, and for Greece but for different reasons. I am not fooling myself by thinking that France and Germany suddenly are our "friends". It is a coincidence, nothing more.

[Oracle]

If I may be so bold as to ask a question here ....

Can Turkey seriously afford to cause problems with the oil supply? Would it not automatically go the way of, say, Iraq?

[Kifeas]

You are talking rubbish as per normal Kifeas and resort to name calling because you cannot cope with reality. You have forgotten than one Cypriot hand, the one of your protege, the former President Papadopoulos, signed the resolution of the EU Commision that was praising Turkey for her efforts to solve the Cyprus problem and called your favourite country to carry on as you were.

Bananiot, here is 2008 EU commission’s progress report on Turkey. Download it, read it, and then find me one single paragraph in which Turkey is praised “for her efforts to solve the Cyprus problem!” You know why? Because such a remark had only made its appearance in the 2004 progress report, simply because we wanted to facilitate Turkey obtaining an accession date, for very good reasons that were serving our interests! Afterwards, in all consecutive progress reports since then, we have made sure such a claim is taken out, and was taken out as you will notice when you read the said document.

You know why we wanted Turkey to obtain an EU accession date? Because in this way we would have allowed Turkey to enter into the “anteroom” of the EU, and become encouraged to believe and hope that once it becomes a normal civilized nation that will respect human rights and international law, its EU accession may possibly become a reality. It is easier to control Turkey, once it has entered EU’s front yard, rather than having it completely shut out! Once this occurred, there was no need for such a remark to be included in any future progress reports, that is why we made sure it was taken out!

I speak with facts, and here they are, and not with my ass like you do!

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/pre ... ort_en.pdf

[Kifeas]

Neither, it simply will not come to the point where the Cyprus FM will stand up and say "Veto" in an EU summit.

The opposition of major EU nations taking this stance is a fact which has both positive and negative ramifications for Cyprus, and for Greece but for different reasons. I am not fooling myself by thinking that France and Germany suddenly are our "friends". It is a coincidence, nothing more.

Nikitas, allow me to say that you are clueless!

if you haven't realized yet that it is in our interests that all other obstacles that Germany and France put against Turkey's accession, are gone away, and only the Cyprus issue remains to be the pending one; if you have not realized yet that it is no good news that France and Germany are discouraging Turkey, then I wonder what you are doing here! The only time Turkey will be compelled to seat down and decide that is time to swallow the bitter pill of compromising in Cyprus, is when it will know that it is indeed the only obstacle remaining in its accession road, besides all the internal reforms that it will have to make! The French and the German are not doing us any favor, by acting in the way they do, but quite the opposite!

[Oracle]

If maybe the objections that France and Germany may have against Turkey's EU accession are to do with its unsuitability, one of those manifestations being its occupation of Cyprus, then it is not such a bad thing, surely?. Because once again, Turkey is being left to prove itself as suitable, by addressing such issues, which include the withdrawal from Cyprus and recognition of the RoC.

[Kifeas]

If maybe the objections that France and Germany may have against Turkey's EU accession are to do with its unsuitability, one of those manifestations being its occupation of Cyprus, then it is not such a bad thing, surely?.

Well, unfortunately it doesn't much have to do with Cyprus, but due to the fact that Turkey is a Muslim country and culturally different and thus unfit to become EU member state!

[Nikitas]

"Nikitas, allow me to say that you are clueless! "

Maybe so, or maybe it is that I doubt very much whether any Cypriot politician has the cojones to stand up in an EU summit meeting to utter the word. Assuming of course that there will be such resolve at the level of the National Council.

Given our post 1974 "good boy" policy there are serious doubts whether we can go that far, not to mention further, if necessary. Not to mention being ready for the inevitable acts of provocation which will follow a veto.

[Nikitas]

You know Kifeas,

during the pre Annan plan debate I sat in front of my TV and watched such Athens Polytechnic stalwarts as Stefanos Tzoumakas, Bistis and others shout how in Cyprus we had suffered a diplomatic and military loss and therefore we had to compromise and accept the Annan plan.

These statement were indicative of a trend, and when that trend is the dominant one in Greece, the only source of true support for Cyprus, I doubt very much whether any use of the veto can or will ever be made.