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[Viewpoint]

VP

OH&S??? you can do you best to foresee any dangers and take the necessary steps not to expose yourself that's all we are trying to do and the harder you try to dismiss our concerns the more untrusting and suspicious we become.

In a true democracy everyones rights are preserved, you guys want special treatment. The second obstacle to the process of unification is the fact that because of the Turkish occupation of 1/3 of Cypriot territory you believe that you have contro and management of your destiny. Those with enough personal integrity will agree with me that TC's do not have that. But those who cannot see beyong their noses live under the illussion that you guys are in control.

To this end we will never achieve unity and emocracy because a minority group denies the majority of their freedoms. I don't think the TC/ Turkish side allows room for anything.

We got cloe to some movement between you and I on the Cypro yesterday and then you withdrew once again about your concerns. The best way your future generations will achieve equality is through a unitary State based on democratic values, and as is the case in the US to hope that through the right policies, a TC child can hope to become a President of Cyprus.

With an 80% GC electorate who would rather vote in a GC monkey then a TC I wouldnt hold my breath if I was you.

the fact that you've convinced yourself that 82% of the population can only come up with a monkey because they are GC's and the 18% is only compromised of political Einsteins is more worrying.

You will never be able to propose anything logical if you do not see the reality and dangers around you, 80% of the voting population will never vote in a TC leader, the reason I am sure you can work out.

[DT.]

VP

OH&S??? you can do you best to foresee any dangers and take the necessary steps not to expose yourself that's all we are trying to do and the harder you try to dismiss our concerns the more untrusting and suspicious we become.

In a true democracy everyones rights are preserved, you guys want special treatment. The second obstacle to the process of unification is the fact that because of the Turkish occupation of 1/3 of Cypriot territory you believe that you have contro and management of your destiny. Those with enough personal integrity will agree with me that TC's do not have that. But those who cannot see beyong their noses live under the illussion that you guys are in control.

To this end we will never achieve unity and emocracy because a minority group denies the majority of their freedoms. I don't think the TC/ Turkish side allows room for anything.

We got cloe to some movement between you and I on the Cypro yesterday and then you withdrew once again about your concerns. The best way your future generations will achieve equality is through a unitary State based on democratic values, and as is the case in the US to hope that through the right policies, a TC child can hope to become a President of Cyprus.

With an 80% GC electorate who would rather vote in a GC monkey then a TC I wouldnt hold my breath if I was you.

the fact that you've convinced yourself that 82% of the population can only come up with a monkey because they are GC's and the 18% is only compromised of political Einsteins is more worrying.

You will never be able to propose anything logical if you do not see the reality and dangers around you, 80% of the voting population will never vote in a TC leader, the reason I am sure you can work out.

Whats logical is during elections the votes are counted and the person with the most votes wins. Take any system either first past the post or proportional representation there is never an incident when 9% of the population can dictate to the rest who will be their leader.

[Viewpoint]

VP

OH&S??? you can do you best to foresee any dangers and take the necessary steps not to expose yourself that's all we are trying to do and the harder you try to dismiss our concerns the more untrusting and suspicious we become.

In a true democracy everyones rights are preserved, you guys want special treatment. The second obstacle to the process of unification is the fact that because of the Turkish occupation of 1/3 of Cypriot territory you believe that you have contro and management of your destiny. Those with enough personal integrity will agree with me that TC's do not have that. But those who cannot see beyong their noses live under the illussion that you guys are in control.

To this end we will never achieve unity and emocracy because a minority group denies the majority of their freedoms. I don't think the TC/ Turkish side allows room for anything.

We got cloe to some movement between you and I on the Cypro yesterday and then you withdrew once again about your concerns. The best way your future generations will achieve equality is through a unitary State based on democratic values, and as is the case in the US to hope that through the right policies, a TC child can hope to become a President of Cyprus.

With an 80% GC electorate who would rather vote in a GC monkey then a TC I wouldnt hold my breath if I was you.

the fact that you've convinced yourself that 82% of the population can only come up with a monkey because they are GC's and the 18% is only compromised of political Einsteins is more worrying.

You will never be able to propose anything logical if you do not see the reality and dangers around you, 80% of the voting population will never vote in a TC leader, the reason I am sure you can work out.

Whats logical is during elections the votes are counted and the person with the most votes wins. Take any system either first past the post or proportional representation there is never an incident when 9% of the population can dictate to the rest who will be their leader.

Then proportional representation with a specific voting balance in the upper house is in order to pass laws of a sensative nature, this is not unheard off and logical when you consider neither community trusts the other.

[DT.]

VP

OH&S??? you can do you best to foresee any dangers and take the necessary steps not to expose yourself that's all we are trying to do and the harder you try to dismiss our concerns the more untrusting and suspicious we become.

In a true democracy everyones rights are preserved, you guys want special treatment. The second obstacle to the process of unification is the fact that because of the Turkish occupation of 1/3 of Cypriot territory you believe that you have contro and management of your destiny. Those with enough personal integrity will agree with me that TC's do not have that. But those who cannot see beyong their noses live under the illussion that you guys are in control.

To this end we will never achieve unity and emocracy because a minority group denies the majority of their freedoms. I don't think the TC/ Turkish side allows room for anything.

We got cloe to some movement between you and I on the Cypro yesterday and then you withdrew once again about your concerns. The best way your future generations will achieve equality is through a unitary State based on democratic values, and as is the case in the US to hope that through the right policies, a TC child can hope to become a President of Cyprus.

With an 80% GC electorate who would rather vote in a GC monkey then a TC I wouldnt hold my breath if I was you.

the fact that you've convinced yourself that 82% of the population can only come up with a monkey because they are GC's and the 18% is only compromised of political Einsteins is more worrying.

You will never be able to propose anything logical if you do not see the reality and dangers around you, 80% of the voting population will never vote in a TC leader, the reason I am sure you can work out.

Whats logical is during elections the votes are counted and the person with the most votes wins. Take any system either first past the post or proportional representation there is never an incident when 9% of the population can dictate to the rest who will be their leader.

Then proportional representation with a specific voting balance in the upper house is in order to pass laws of a sensative nature, this is not unheard off and logical when you consider neither community trusts the other.

issues sensitive to one state of the federation are a different matter to 9% voting in the head of state.

[Viewpoint]

How do you propose a balance where we are not pushed to one side and decisions are not taken without our input on matters effecting the north more negatively???

[DT.]

How do you propose a balance where we are not pushed to one side and decisions are not taken without our input on matters effecting the north more negatively???

the voting system of the upper house should take cared of issues sensitive to the tc community for a specified time period. The 2 states should have a long term plan to rid themselves from racist ethnic conditions.

Again this has nothing to do with 9% of the population voting in a president of a country. Why can you not understand this?

[Viewpoint]

How do you propose a balance where we are not pushed to one side and decisions are not taken without our input on matters effecting the north more negatively???

the voting system of the upper house should take cared of issues sensitive to the tc community for a specified time period. The 2 states should have a long term plan to rid themselves from racist ethnic conditions.

Again this has nothing to do with 9% of the population voting in a president of a country. Why can you not understand this?

becasue you are not being very clear, how would you have the balance in the upper house? and how would the TC community have any chance of getting in a TC president when 80% of the population is GC?

[DT.]

How do you propose a balance where we are not pushed to one side and decisions are not taken without our input on matters effecting the north more negatively???

the voting system of the upper house should take cared of issues sensitive to the tc community for a specified time period. The 2 states should have a long term plan to rid themselves from racist ethnic conditions.

Again this has nothing to do with 9% of the population voting in a president of a country. Why can you not understand this?

becasue you are not being very clear, how would you have the balance in the upper house? and how would the TC community have any chance of getting in a TC president when 80% of the population is GC?

having sensitive issues requiring special majorities for laws to pass is one thing. 9% of the population imposing a president on the rest is another thing.

[Viewpoint]

How do you propose a balance where we are not pushed to one side and decisions are not taken without our input on matters effecting the north more negatively???

the voting system of the upper house should take cared of issues sensitive to the tc community for a specified time period. The 2 states should have a long term plan to rid themselves from racist ethnic conditions.

Again this has nothing to do with 9% of the population voting in a president of a country. Why can you not understand this?

becasue you are not being very clear, how would you have the balance in the upper house? and how would the TC community have any chance of getting in a TC president when 80% of the population is GC?

having sensitive issues requiring special majorities for laws to pass is one thing. 9% of the population imposing a president on the rest is another thing.

So what you are in fact saying is that we will be at the mercy of a GC president?

[humanist]

VP

becasue you are not being very clear, how would you have the balance in the upper house? and how would the TC community have any chance of getting in a TC president when 80% of the population is GC?

Whilst the TC's and their current representatives are proposing a division of Cyprus and Cypriot people you don't stand a chance. However in a united unitary Federal republic of Cyprus where there is a united socialist party, liberal party, right wing party, left wing party, Republican party to give some examples where members of those aprties comprise of both TC's and GC's alike I think that people will vote for the party that best represents their interests and ideologies and in that case you will find that one day a TC will be voted in at the presidential level and then we can all say that Cyprus is a truly united nation.

However, I cannot see any visionary TC's and not Talat at all who are able to bring people together.