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[DT.]

Well said Tim, and the following is my answer for Oracle!

A Cyprus solution, if you look at it logically, is impossible without Turkey becoming a FULL member of the EU - this is obvious and shouldn't need any further explanation.

Secondly, Cyprus is NOT AN OFFICAL condition for Turkey's EU entry, it never was and can never be. Similarly to how Greece's EU entry was not and how Cyprus was wrongly admitted to the EU without a solution. It was the EU that set this precedence and not Turkey. Now the EU are wishing for a BBF solution, but know deep down that their unreliable Greek Cypriots will say "OXI". And why, because the GCs, once again, believe that the island is theirs!

Please explain this statement. I don't understand why this is impossible?

It’s a non-negotiable and absolute declaration. The stuff of "real" debates…

(in Turkey)

This how they always present their arguments in that other forum atca?

[Get Real!]

Well said Tim, and the following is my answer for Oracle!

A Cyprus solution, if you look at it logically, is impossible without Turkey becoming a FULL member of the EU - this is obvious and shouldn't need any further explanation.

Secondly, Cyprus is NOT AN OFFICAL condition for Turkey's EU entry, it never was and can never be. Similarly to how Greece's EU entry was not and how Cyprus was wrongly admitted to the EU without a solution. It was the EU that set this precedence and not Turkey. Now the EU are wishing for a BBF solution, but know deep down that their unreliable Greek Cypriots will say "OXI". And why, because the GCs, once again, believe that the island is theirs!

Please explain this statement. I don't understand why this is impossible?

It’s a non-negotiable and absolute declaration. The stuff of "real" debates…

(in Turkey)

This how they always present their arguments in that other forum atca?

Yes it is...

It is safe to assume that everything being said there starts like this...

“I hereby declare that henceforth EVERY living being will accept that… [insert opinion here] “

[Paphitis]

Well said Tim, and the following is my answer for Oracle!

A Cyprus solution, if you look at it logically, is impossible without Turkey becoming a FULL member of the EU - this is obvious and shouldn't need any further explanation.

Secondly, Cyprus is NOT AN OFFICAL condition for Turkey's EU entry, it never was and can never be. Similarly to how Greece's EU entry was not and how Cyprus was wrongly admitted to the EU without a solution. It was the EU that set this precedence and not Turkey. Now the EU are wishing for a BBF solution, but know deep down that their unreliable Greek Cypriots will say "OXI". And why, because the GCs, once again, believe that the island is theirs!

Please explain this statement. I don't understand why this is impossible?

It’s a non-negotiable and absolute declaration. The stuff of "real" debates…

(in Turkey)

This how they always present their arguments in that other forum atca?

Yes it is...

It is safe to assume that everything being said there starts like this...

“I hereby declare that henceforth EVERY living being will accept that… [insert opinion here] “

And it ends with....

if every living being does not accept my opinion as fact, then my poor fat hairy wife is in for a very rough evening..

[Get Real!]

Yes it is...

It is safe to assume that everything being said there starts like this...

“I hereby declare that henceforth EVERY living being will accept that… [insert opinion here] “

And it ends with....

if every living being does not accept my opinion as fact, then my poor fat hairy wife is in for a very rough evening..

I can't remember who coined this but we used to refer to them as "the people that time forgot"...

[Paphitis]

Yes it is...

It is safe to assume that everything being said there starts like this...

“I hereby declare that henceforth EVERY living being will accept that… [insert opinion here] “

And it ends with....

if every living being does not accept my opinion as fact, then my poor fat hairy wife is in for a very rough evening..

I can't remember who coined this but we used to refer to them as "the people that time forgot"...

That kind of comment kind of stick's in your mind...

[AWE]

Turkey will not become a member if the EU unless there is a solution to the Cyprus Problem or the value of Turkey as a member out weighs the protests of the RoC.

Given that the RoC will use it's veto should there be no solution even if Turkey has jumped through all the other hoops, Turkey's EU bid it is dependent on the good will of the RoC. That said the a Cyprus solution has to confirm Turkey as and EU member i.e. Turkey will only agree a solution that allows the TCs enough weight in decision making to stop a RoC veto, out of spite, fear or hatred, of Turkey to it's EU bid.

Anything less than full EU membership will mean that Turkey does not have to find a solution to the Cyprus Problem.

[MrH]

Get Real!

Turkey, a guarantor power of Cyprus, along with Greece and the UK have their signatures firmly indented on the 1960 Agreement(s). Cyprus can not entire any union etc, etc, legally, without ALL of its guarantor member countries being a part of. Blah Blah Blah - Come on Get Real, this is obvious O'Level Law stuff, even the Liberal Democrats know it!

Look at it this way Get Real - If Turkey were a FULL Member of the EU, would you still consider a Federal Republic of Cyprus without any FEDERATED Inter States?

Think about all of those loving Turks from Turkey flooding tiny Cyprus!!

Be honest now!

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Paphitis we should go further. No more aid to the illegal state. Why have we agreed for them to get a grant from the EU.

We should have vetoed that when we had a chance. We should also tell TC's that none of them will be granted ROC citizenship until the cyprus problem is resolved.

I've had enough of the nicely nicely approach. Let's make them suffer as they have made us suffer.

Who died and made you the fucking king of EUROPE???

I gather they call you big Oz because you are a big wan@er. You dont like it when you dont get your way do you. Well big man it's tough. If as I expect these talks fail due to you theives expecting everything on a plate. I truly hope we start to block the aid from the EU. Lets see how well that goes down in you criminal state.

[Get Real!]

Get Real!

Turkey, a guarantor power of Cyprus, along with Greece and the UK have their signatures firmly indented on the 1960 Agreement(s). Cyprus can not entire any union etc, etc, legally, without ALL of its guarantor member countries being a part of. Blah Blah Blah - Come on Get Real, this is obvious O'Level Law stuff, even the Liberal Democrats know it!

No, that’s not what it says. Find the relevant material, read it, and then come back with a valid argument including your credible link.

[Tim Drayton]

Well said Tim, and the following is my answer for Oracle!

A Cyprus solution, if you look at it logically, is impossible without Turkey becoming a FULL member of the EU - this is obvious and shouldn't need any further explanation.

Secondly, Cyprus is NOT AN OFFICAL condition for Turkey's EU entry, it never was and can never be. Similarly to how Greece's EU entry was not and how Cyprus was wrongly admitted to the EU without a solution. It was the EU that set this precedence and not Turkey. Now the EU are wishing for a BBF solution, but know deep down that their unreliable Greek Cypriots will say "OXI". And why, because the GCs, once again, believe that the island is theirs!

Thanks for the "well said", but I am afraid your arguments diverge sharply from the point I am trying to make.