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[Tim Drayton]

Anybody who thinks that Europe is about to slam its door shut on Turkey would do well to read the following report by the Centre for European Reform entitled:

Turkey’s Role in European Energy Security

http://www.cer.org.uk/pdf/essay_turkey_ ... 2dec07.pdf

They should also glance at the following report whose first sentence reads: "The European Union (EU) Commission praised Turkey's active foreign policy in its Enlargement Strategy made public on Wednesday.":

Turkey's strategic importance rising, based on energy, security: EU

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=30930

[MrH]

Well said Tim, and the following is my answer for Oracle!

A Cyprus solution, if you look at it logically, is impossible without Turkey becoming a FULL member of the EU - this is obvious and shouldn't need any further explanation.

Secondly, Cyprus is NOT AN OFFICAL condition for Turkey's EU entry, it never was and can never be. Similarly to how Greece's EU entry was not and how Cyprus was wrongly admitted to the EU without a solution. It was the EU that set this precedence and not Turkey. Now the EU are wishing for a BBF solution, but know deep down that their unreliable Greek Cypriots will say "OXI". And why, because the GCs, once again, believe that the island is theirs!

[Get Real!]

It would be a dream if GC Controlled Cyprus used its Veto on Turkey, which we all know would NEVER happen - the GCs would never sink all of their ships with one swoop!

Their Dream of Enosis would end in a flash! And Christofias knows it!

Forget the bizarre ATCA theories because you're on the CF now and things will start making more sense if you sit back and do more reading than writing.

[EPSILON]

Well said Tim, and the following is my answer for Oracle!

A Cyprus solution, if you look at it logically, is impossible without Turkey becoming a FULL member of the EU - this is obvious and shouldn't need any further explanation.

Secondly, Cyprus is NOT AN OFFICAL condition for Turkey's EU entry, it never was and can never be. Similarly to how Greece's EU entry was not and how Cyprus was wrongly admitted to the EU without a solution. It was the EU that set this precedence and not Turkey. Now the EU are wishing for a BBF solution, but know deep down that their unreliable Greek Cypriots will say "OXI". And why, because the GCs, once again, believe that the island is theirs!

You are right- one day a country with name TURKEY will join EU. but this will be a different Turkey of what you / we know today.

As far as solytion concern Turkey is not looking for a BBF solution but TERMS after a war which it won - this explains the OXI of G/cs.

G/cs are not believe that Cyprus is their - it is. All others in the field came after an invation either in 1571 or 1974 .This of course is very difficult to be understood by your side but unfortunately -for you-this is the case.

[Kikapu]

Transcript: FT interview with Ali Babacan
Published: April 14 2008

"For many new member states, when you look at the Eastern European countries or Romania or Bulgaria, the new members, as you say, these were evaluated purely on technical factors, but for Turkey we have found out that the opening of the chapters and closing of the chapters could be influenced by reasons which are of a very political nature. For example, the Cyprus issue. Now we cannot open eight chapters, we cannot close any of the chapters until the Cyprus issue is resolved…Or, for example, the French Government defined some five chapters which they think will take Turkey to full membership and they say that since these five chapters are taking Turkey to full membership we should not maybe discuss these yet, let’s deal with the other 30 [other] chapters and let’s postpone these and see what’s going to happen. When we look at those five chapters, not only us but many member states actually have difficulty understanding why those five. So, the negotiation framework document does indicate any kind of approach like that, but that’s the reality that we are facing, so we need to have the consensus of all the 27 member states to open a chapter or to close a chapter".

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cb8de71a-0a57 ... fd2ac.html

[DT.]

Well said Tim, and the following is my answer for Oracle!

A Cyprus solution, if you look at it logically, is impossible without Turkey becoming a FULL member of the EU - this is obvious and shouldn't need any further explanation.

Secondly, Cyprus is NOT AN OFFICAL condition for Turkey's EU entry, it never was and can never be. Similarly to how Greece's EU entry was not and how Cyprus was wrongly admitted to the EU without a solution. It was the EU that set this precedence and not Turkey. Now the EU are wishing for a BBF solution, but know deep down that their unreliable Greek Cypriots will say "OXI". And why, because the GCs, once again, believe that the island is theirs!

Please explain this statement. I don't understand why this is impossible?

[EPSILON]

Well said Tim, and the following is my answer for Oracle!

A Cyprus solution, if you look at it logically, is impossible without Turkey becoming a FULL member of the EU - this is obvious and shouldn't need any further explanation.

Secondly, Cyprus is NOT AN OFFICAL condition for Turkey's EU entry, it never was and can never be. Similarly to how Greece's EU entry was not and how Cyprus was wrongly admitted to the EU without a solution. It was the EU that set this precedence and not Turkey. Now the EU are wishing for a BBF solution, but know deep down that their unreliable Greek Cypriots will say "OXI". And why, because the GCs, once again, believe that the island is theirs!

For the simple reason neither EU or Cyprus can survive without Turkey's civilization!!!!!!!!
Please explain this statement. I don't understand why this is impossible?

[EPSILON]

Well said Tim, and the following is my answer for Oracle!

A Cyprus solution, if you look at it logically, is impossible without Turkey becoming a FULL member of the EU - this is obvious and shouldn't need any further explanation.

Secondly, Cyprus is NOT AN OFFICAL condition for Turkey's EU entry, it never was and can never be. Similarly to how Greece's EU entry was not and how Cyprus was wrongly admitted to the EU without a solution. It was the EU that set this precedence and not Turkey. Now the EU are wishing for a BBF solution, but know deep down that their unreliable Greek Cypriots will say "OXI". And why, because the GCs, once again, believe that the island is theirs!

Please explain this statement. I don't understand why this is impossible?

For the simple reason neither EU or Cyprus can survive without Turkey's civilization!!!!!!!!

[Paphitis]

Transcript: FT interview with Ali Babacan
Published: April 14 2008

"For many new member states, when you look at the Eastern European countries or Romania or Bulgaria, the new members, as you say, these were evaluated purely on technical factors, but for Turkey we have found out that the opening of the chapters and closing of the chapters could be influenced by reasons which are of a very political nature. For example, the Cyprus issue. Now we cannot open eight chapters, we cannot close any of the chapters until the Cyprus issue is resolved…Or, for example, the French Government defined some five chapters which they think will take Turkey to full membership and they say that since these five chapters are taking Turkey to full membership we should not maybe discuss these yet, let’s deal with the other 30 [other] chapters and let’s postpone these and see what’s going to happen. When we look at those five chapters, not only us but many member states actually have difficulty understanding why those five. So, the negotiation framework document does indicate any kind of approach like that, but that’s the reality that we are facing, so we need to have the consensus of all the 27 member states to open a chapter or to close a chapter".

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cb8de71a-0a57 ... fd2ac.html

That's exactly what I have been saying all along.

Turkey will not become a member unless the Cyprus problem is solved. Technical matters such as Turkey playing an important role in Energy Security have absolutely no bearing on whether Turkey becomes an EU member. But the 8 closed chapters do. France is also proposing to close additional chapters.

Turkey started entry talks in 2005 along with Croatia but the major stumbling blocs remain including Turkey’s failure to normalize relations with Republic of Cyprus, which became member of the European Union in 2004. Croatia, as compared with Turkey is now set to join the 27-member bloc in 2011 and has already concluded most of the accession chapters. On the contrary EU has frozen progress on as many as eight chapters with Turkey because Ankara does not allow Greek Cyprus vessels to use Turkish ports, saying it would not do so until and unless the Turkish Cypriots are given their due rights and the world community ends their isolation. In the coming days, the EU may freeze more chapters as France, which favours a sort of ‘privileged partnership’ status for Turkey rather than full membership, has warned Ankara against such an action if it does not open its ports for Greek Cypriots vessels.

Without a solution to the Cyprus Problem, then Turkey's EU dream will remain just that. A dream! Energy and domestic reform is secondary and not the main obstacle.

[Get Real!]

Well said Tim, and the following is my answer for Oracle!

A Cyprus solution, if you look at it logically, is impossible without Turkey becoming a FULL member of the EU - this is obvious and shouldn't need any further explanation.

Secondly, Cyprus is NOT AN OFFICAL condition for Turkey's EU entry, it never was and can never be. Similarly to how Greece's EU entry was not and how Cyprus was wrongly admitted to the EU without a solution. It was the EU that set this precedence and not Turkey. Now the EU are wishing for a BBF solution, but know deep down that their unreliable Greek Cypriots will say "OXI". And why, because the GCs, once again, believe that the island is theirs!

Please explain this statement. I don't understand why this is impossible?

It’s a non-negotiable and absolute declaration. The stuff of "real" debates…

(in Turkey)