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[Oracle]

Can we change invasion to infection, then simpletons like Viewpoint will understand that they are here transiently unless they adapt and become part of the host (us)! ... and not an unsustainable separate entity or cancer!

[Viewpoint]

It's not pushing you to live under GC administration, in a democratic country where there are minority groups and majority groups there is a government and people live under the governance of that government. You happened to be living in a country where you have a large number of a minority group. That is all there is to it, just like in Canada where a large minority group has French ancestry. They still live under the governance of the government elected in a democratic election where one person equals one vote.


In Britain where the largets of minority groups are perhaps of Indian ancenstry they live under the government of the day, they have not gotten up in arms demanding a separate State because they are one of the largest of th minority groups, who also experience discrimination and violence.

Did those minorities ever own the UK, you should compare us to the Scottish and Welsh not groups that arrived much later.

Who ruled (not owned) some other country for some period is irrelevant, otherwise most of Europe would belong to Nazis because they ruled it during some period.

But your second statement is correct. Scottish and Welsh are people that existed there for 1000s of years and they have their own separate territories within which they have been the majority for many centuries (Scotland and Wales).

On the other hand the minorities, as you correctly said, arrived much later (just like the Turks in Cyprus) and do not own any separate territory (Just like the TCs in Cyprus).

The closer example to the one of TCs in Cyprus is the Turkish minority in Bulgaria. They were formed at about the same period, under the exact same circumstances, and they are about the same size as well.

So if we are going to use another country as a model, that should be Bulgaria.

I disagree because the whole island was once conquered owned/ruled by the Ottomans that gives us more rights than the Indians in the UK or the Turks in Bulgaria who never had a partnership agreement signed by the Bulgarians giving Turks community rights. Every county has its own history and evolution so trying to make comparision will always be flawed and inaccurate. You have to come to terms with the fact that we are 2 communities who cannot agree to live mixed together so the only middle ground is a BBF with politicl equality as supported by the UN and EU.

What the UN supports is the one and only state in Cyprus, the Republic of Cyprus, which is a unitary state. The UN and EU declared as legally invalid your pseudo state as well.

Beyond that, seeing that you do not show any kind of respect to UN resolutions or international law, the UN and EU support negotiations to see if we can find some alternative solution.

I would gladly accept a "BBF" kind of solution too, if the land distribution was in our favor, and if "political equality" was the way we understand it. But since you have unreasonable demands we can not agree on any "BBF" and this means that the Republic of Cyprus remains the one and only legal entity on the island of Cyprus and be sure that the EU or UN will not "derecognize" RoC and recognize you just because your unreasonable demands make a solution by peaceful means impossible.

If the UN had a problem with Turkey they would not have appointed them non perm members and taken measures to get you out of the mess you are in, no one has done anything not even Greece, that tell you anything? All they have done is listen to both sides and come up with AP which you rejected.

[Viewpoint]

Regarding Bulgaria it was "conquered owned/ruled" by the Ottomans as well. And that is exactly what the Nazis did during WWII. It doesn't give you more rights, it just shows how criminals you are, nothing more.

We never signed any "partnership" agreements. Show me where we ever signed such thing. In fact a Turk of Bulgaria can became a president of Bulgaria, a TC can not become a president of Cyprus, based on the agreements we signed. So where did you see the partnership?

Sure, you blackmailed us and you got more than you should with those agreements, but don't hope you will manage to do that again. We learned our lesson since then and we can not be blackmailed anymore.

Moan moan moan bitch bitch bitch thats all you do, first you say you didnt sign an agreement then you complain you were forced, read your own constitiution and work out who the other part is to that agreement.

[Get Real!]

I didnt invade anywhere and am as indigenous as you are so dont give me that bullshit.

Yeah, an indigenous nuisance!

[paliometoxo]

turkey wants two states yet to have powers for the whole of the island... enosis with greece will happen before that does

[Oracle]

Regarding Bulgaria it was "conquered owned/ruled" by the Ottomans as well. And that is exactly what the Nazis did during WWII. It doesn't give you more rights, it just shows how criminals you are, nothing more.

We never signed any "partnership" agreements. Show me where we ever signed such thing. In fact a Turk of Bulgaria can became a president of Bulgaria, a TC can not become a president of Cyprus, based on the agreements we signed. So where did you see the partnership?

Sure, you blackmailed us and you got more than you should with those agreements, but don't hope you will manage to do that again. We learned our lesson since then and we can not be blackmailed anymore.

Moan moan moan bitch bitch bitch thats all you do, first you say you didnt sign an agreement then you complain you were forced, read your own constitiution and work out who the other part is to that agreement.

Are you now showing off that you Turks have learnt to read and write ... and eventually might manage to learn what an agreement is?

[Get Real!]

Turkey is not there to cause a disturbance, but there under the call of the Turkish Cypriot government - period! Northern Cyprus is NOT OCCUPIED - It is the recognised Turkish Cypriot State, the TRNC recognised by Turkey and the land of the Turkish Cypriot people. Live with it!

Ok...

[Get Real!]

When both or one community does not trust the other or if one side does not accept agreed partition BBF or BBC is the only way forward.

No, technically that's when you then go for the BTA.

(back to anatolia)

[Nikitas]

"its territorial boundaries"

Exactly Bananiot, its territorial boundaries, and that makes the issue of territory paramount. We are not taking this seriously and we will pay for our negligence.

[Nikitas]

Is anyone disputing that in the first elections after a future settlement the north, and therefore the whole of Cyprus, will have SETTLERS as elected officials?

This will be done so that TCs will not live in a "Hellenised Cyprus" if the principle of one man one vote is accepted as in all other democratic countries. This is being forced down our throats as a the only possible and realistic solution.

Just think how the TCs would be howling if we elected a mainland Greek president in the south, and he would preside over the whole of the island. Think of how even most GCs would resist such a possibility.

How do you think the majority of the Cypriot population will react when they realise that a non Cypriot is to be their "rotating" president?

These are some thoughts about this BBF thing that is touted as our last chance.