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[Piratis]

division based on ethnic lines is not moving forward, sorry I strongly disagree with your point but I also accept that it is your point and you have the right to express it.

The USA, Switzerland and Belgium are all Federal structures.

And Spain and Portugal are two separate countries. So what?

All parts of Cyprus belong by 80%+ to Greek Cypriots. So the examples you give are not relevant. A relevant example would be the Turkish minority in Bulgaria, or other minorities in just about every country who do not own a separate region of a country.

[Viewpoint]

Two equal states the north administered by TCs and the south by GCs, the people decide where they wish to reside. Why do you not want to live under TC adminisration but want to force us to live under GC adminstration???

For the same reason we didn't want to live under Ottoman administration. Why should you rule over land that belongs by 80%+ to us?

If you want to live under Turkish administration then go live in Turkey. In Cyprus you can live under Cypriot administration, and yes you are only 18% of Cypriots, and yes that means you can't do whatever you feel like.

If you didn't want to live as a minority in our island you should have thought of it before you invaded us. Nobody asked from you to come to Cyprus which was already inhabited by Greeks for 1000s of years.

I didnt invade anywhere and am as indigenous as you are so dont give me that bullshit. The problem is you caused the current situation just as much as I did because we unable to resolve our differencies which is the case even today. What ı am suggesting is a shared federal government with 2 states where the people are allowed to choose, why do you want to force a large part of the total population to live under GCs adminstration? We have right to you cannot push us to one side anymore.

[humanist]

It's not pushing you to live under GC administration, in a democratic country where there are minority groups and majority groups there is a government and people live under the governance of that government. You happened to be living in a country where you have a large number of a minority group. That is all there is to it, just like in Canada where a large minority group has French ancestry. They still live under the governance of the government elected in a democratic election where one person equals one vote.


In Britain where the largets of minority groups are perhaps of Indian ancenstry they live under the government of the day, they have not gotten up in arms demanding a separate State because they are one of the largest of th minority groups, who also experience discrimination and violence.

[Piratis]

Of course you invaded us VP. Multiple times. If you had not then there would be no Turks in Cyprus to begin with (and therefore no problems).

I didn't force on you anything. You are the ones who forced yourselves over us when you invaded our island. It was great for you when you could rule the whole of Cyprus without giving a damn about what the 80%+ of the Cypriots wanted. Now you have to accept democracy and that you can't force your rule undemocratically over any part of the island. We are not living in the Ottoman era anymore.

[Viewpoint]

It's not pushing you to live under GC administration, in a democratic country where there are minority groups and majority groups there is a government and people live under the governance of that government. You happened to be living in a country where you have a large number of a minority group. That is all there is to it, just like in Canada where a large minority group has French ancestry. They still live under the governance of the government elected in a democratic election where one person equals one vote.


In Britain where the largets of minority groups are perhaps of Indian ancenstry they live under the government of the day, they have not gotten up in arms demanding a separate State because they are one of the largest of th minority groups, who also experience discrimination and violence.

Did those minorities ever own the UK, you should compare us to the Scottish and Welsh not groups that arrived much later.

[Piratis]

It's not pushing you to live under GC administration, in a democratic country where there are minority groups and majority groups there is a government and people live under the governance of that government. You happened to be living in a country where you have a large number of a minority group. That is all there is to it, just like in Canada where a large minority group has French ancestry. They still live under the governance of the government elected in a democratic election where one person equals one vote.


In Britain where the largets of minority groups are perhaps of Indian ancenstry they live under the government of the day, they have not gotten up in arms demanding a separate State because they are one of the largest of th minority groups, who also experience discrimination and violence.

Did those minorities ever own the UK, you should compare us to the Scottish and Welsh not groups that arrived much later.

Who ruled (not owned) some other country for some period is irrelevant, otherwise most of Europe would belong to Nazis because they ruled it during some period.

But your second statement is correct. Scottish and Welsh are people that existed there for 1000s of years and they have their own separate territories within which they have been the majority for many centuries (Scotland and Wales).

On the other hand the minorities, as you correctly said, arrived much later (just like the Turks in Cyprus) and do not own any separate territory (Just like the TCs in Cyprus).

The closer example to the one of TCs in Cyprus is the Turkish minority in Bulgaria. They were formed at about the same period, under the exact same circumstances, and they are about the same size as well.

So if we are going to use another country as a model, that should be Bulgaria.

[humanist]

be careful what you are suggesting VP. TC's and GC's have equal share of the whole Island.

[Viewpoint]

It's not pushing you to live under GC administration, in a democratic country where there are minority groups and majority groups there is a government and people live under the governance of that government. You happened to be living in a country where you have a large number of a minority group. That is all there is to it, just like in Canada where a large minority group has French ancestry. They still live under the governance of the government elected in a democratic election where one person equals one vote.


In Britain where the largets of minority groups are perhaps of Indian ancenstry they live under the government of the day, they have not gotten up in arms demanding a separate State because they are one of the largest of th minority groups, who also experience discrimination and violence.

Did those minorities ever own the UK, you should compare us to the Scottish and Welsh not groups that arrived much later.

Who ruled (not owned) some other country for some period is irrelevant, otherwise most of Europe would belong to Nazis because they ruled it during some period.

But your second statement is correct. Scottish and Welsh are people that existed there for 1000s of years and they have their own separate territories within which they have been the majority for many centuries (Scotland and Wales).

On the other hand the minorities, as you correctly said, arrived much later (just like the Turks in Cyprus) and do not own any separate territory (Just like the TCs in Cyprus).

The closer example to the one of TCs in Cyprus is the Turkish minority in Bulgaria. They were formed at about the same period, under the exact same circumstances, and they are about the same size as well.

So if we are going to use another country as a model, that should be Bulgaria.

I disagree because the whole island was once conquered owned/ruled by the Ottomans that gives us more rights than the Indians in the UK or the Turks in Bulgaria who never had a partnership agreement signed by the Bulgarians giving Turks community rights. Every county has its own history and evolution so trying to make comparision will always be flawed and inaccurate. You have to come to terms with the fact that we are 2 communities who cannot agree to live mixed together so the only middle ground is a BBF with politicl equality as supported by the UN and EU.

[Piratis]

It's not pushing you to live under GC administration, in a democratic country where there are minority groups and majority groups there is a government and people live under the governance of that government. You happened to be living in a country where you have a large number of a minority group. That is all there is to it, just like in Canada where a large minority group has French ancestry. They still live under the governance of the government elected in a democratic election where one person equals one vote.


In Britain where the largets of minority groups are perhaps of Indian ancenstry they live under the government of the day, they have not gotten up in arms demanding a separate State because they are one of the largest of th minority groups, who also experience discrimination and violence.

Did those minorities ever own the UK, you should compare us to the Scottish and Welsh not groups that arrived much later.

Who ruled (not owned) some other country for some period is irrelevant, otherwise most of Europe would belong to Nazis because they ruled it during some period.

But your second statement is correct. Scottish and Welsh are people that existed there for 1000s of years and they have their own separate territories within which they have been the majority for many centuries (Scotland and Wales).

On the other hand the minorities, as you correctly said, arrived much later (just like the Turks in Cyprus) and do not own any separate territory (Just like the TCs in Cyprus).

The closer example to the one of TCs in Cyprus is the Turkish minority in Bulgaria. They were formed at about the same period, under the exact same circumstances, and they are about the same size as well.

So if we are going to use another country as a model, that should be Bulgaria.

I disagree because the whole island was once conquered owned/ruled by the Ottomans that gives us more rights than the Indians in the UK or the Turks in Bulgaria who never had a partnership agreement signed by the Bulgarians giving Turks community rights. Every county has its own history and evolution so trying to make comparision will always be flawed and inaccurate. You have to come to terms with the fact that we are 2 communities who cannot agree to live mixed together so the only middle ground is a BBF with politicl equality as supported by the UN and EU.

What the UN supports is the one and only state in Cyprus, the Republic of Cyprus, which is a unitary state. The UN and EU declared as legally invalid your pseudo state as well.

Beyond that, seeing that you do not show any kind of respect to UN resolutions or international law, the UN and EU support negotiations to see if we can find some alternative solution.

I would gladly accept a "BBF" kind of solution too, if the land distribution was in our favor, and if "political equality" was the way we understand it. But since you have unreasonable demands we can not agree on any "BBF" and this means that the Republic of Cyprus remains the one and only legal entity on the island of Cyprus and be sure that the EU or UN will not "derecognize" RoC and recognize you just because your unreasonable demands make a solution by peaceful means impossible.

[Piratis]

Regarding Bulgaria it was "conquered owned/ruled" by the Ottomans as well. And that is exactly what the Nazis did during WWII. It doesn't give you more rights, it just shows how criminals you are, nothing more.

We never signed any "partnership" agreements. Show me where we ever signed such thing. In fact a Turk of Bulgaria can became a president of Bulgaria, a TC can not become a president of Cyprus, based on the agreements we signed. So where did you see the partnership?

Sure, you blackmailed us and you got more than you should with those agreements, but don't hope you will manage to do that again. We learned our lesson since then and we can not be blackmailed anymore.