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[observer]

Thank you

[observer]

From http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/world/greece.htm

"There are 13 Courts of Appeals in the 13 largest Greek cities. A Court of Appeals tries cases de novo both on legal and on factual issues and is comprised of three judges"

I guess Athens would be one of the 13 largest Greek cities.

[Get Real!]

From http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/world/greece.htm

"There are 13 Courts of Appeals in the 13 largest Greek cities. A Court of Appeals tries cases de novo both on legal and on factual issues and is comprised of three judges"

I guess Athens would be one of the 13 largest Greek cities.

Ok, let's talk courts. When it comes to courts I’ve never come across a Court of Appeals in ANY country that…

1. Has authority in international legal matters as is the case of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974 and everything relating to it.

2. Can appeal a decision made by a High/Supreme Court which enjoy exclusive jurisdiction!

If we go back you said…

“the Athens Court of Appeal saying on 21 March 1979:

The Turkish intervention in Cyprus, which was carried out in accordance with the London-Zurich agreements, was legal. Turkey had, as one of the Guarantor Powers, the right to fulfill her obligation. The true guilty ones were the Greek Officers, who organised the coup and thereby created the conditions for an intervention.”

Were you implying that a Court of Appeals has authority in determining the legality of international disputes??

This is the real court for international affairs…

“The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN). It was established in June 1945 by the Charter of the United Nations and began work in April 1946.”

http://www.icj-cij.org/homepage/index.php?lang=en

[observer]

It appears that this is how the Athens Court of Appeals came to give their judgement:

A father of one of the Greek commandos sent to Cyprus by the Greek junta in July 1974 to fight against Turkish Cypriots and Turkish troops who was shot down by Greek Cypriot National Guard members, filed a case against the Greek government for compensation in December 1976.

The Court of Athens ruled in favor of the father and ordered reasonable compensation to be paid by the Department of the Treasury of the Greek Ministry of Finance.

The Ministry of Finance objected to the decision of the Court of Athens and appealed to the Athens Court of Appeals for a cancellation of this order.

But unexpectedly the Supreme Court decided in favor of the father again and confirmed the decision of the Court of Athens.

The first paragraphs of the justification of the Athens Court of Appeals explains in detail the 1960 Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus, Part IV of the Treaty of Guarantee, the rights of Turkey, the coup d’etat organized by the Greek junta against Makarios and the improper behavior of Gen. Phaedon Gizikis, the head of Greece’s junta government in 1974.

The very last paragraph clearly highlights the legitimacy of the Turkish intervention on Cyprus.


There are few, other than GCs, who doubt that under treaties Turkey had the right to intervene militarily. There is lots of room to debate what happened subsequently.

[Get Real!]

The very last paragraph clearly highlights the legitimacy of the Turkish intervention on Cyprus.

There are few, other than GCs, who doubt that under treaties Turkey had the right to intervene militarily. There is lots of room to debate what happened subsequently.

I'll forget the boy/father case and press on with your underlying aims of legitimizing the Turkish invasion!

Here you go…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=20395

Give this thread to this court of appeals and tell them to put it in their pipe and smoke it.

[observer]

I don't really think that we ought to continue this in the General Chat section (for starting this I blame Oracle) but, while you and I have different opinions, I suggest that neither of us really know Turkey's motives.

The 1960 constitution had not been adhered to since 1963.

I am strongly of the opinion that the coup would have succeeded if Turkey had not intervened. By the evening of 19 July Makarios had fled the country, all the major towns were in the hands of the coupists, as were the radio stations, Greek solders were on the island greatly in excess of those allowed by the treaty, and many more people supported the coupist aims than are prepered to admit it now. What would have subsequently happened can only be guessed at, but a call for enosis would have been very popular among GCs then.

Turkish military intervention was lawful by treaty.

Subsequently neither community leader wanted to return to the 1960 constitution and agreed to a BBF in Switzzerland. The details of that BBF are still being haggled over.

It is difficult to see how Turkey could have restored the 1960 constitution, which many GCs maintain was forced upon them. How much more they would have loved Turkey forcing them to return to it. The most likely reason for Turkey's intervention IMHO is that it was done to stop Cyprus becoming part of Greece. Other reasons, such as protecting TCs played an emotional part. I don't think Taksim has ever been a motive for any serious Turkish politician.

[Oracle]

I don't really think that we ought to continue this in the General Chat section (for starting this I blame Oracle).

Typical Turk!

With whom was I exchanging on general matters, related to the thread topic, before you butted in with "1974" ....

Your main mistake was in thinking you could get away with spewing non-credible evidence, simply because it was in General, and GR! might not notice

(Still, it did not stop you resorting to falling back on throwing out your opinions.)

So back to square one.

Turks attacked Cyprus without provocation! .... FACT!

[Oracle]

I see that the CIA views the Akrotiri Base as a separate country :roll: ... Ditto Dhekelia.

.... with the Official Languages as English and Greek (only)!

Goodbye Turkish for good ...... Now no longer Official anywhere on Cyprus!

[EPSILON]

OK, not provocation, but enough of an excuse in their view.

And not just Turkey thinking so. On 30 Aug 1974 the German Die Zeit wrote:

The massacre of Turkish Cypriots in Paphos and Famagusta is the proof of how justified the Turks were to undertake their intervention."

Or the Daily Telegraph more recently on 15 Aug 1996:

When Britain did nothing, Turkey invaded Cyprus and occupied its northern part. Turkish Cypriots have constitutional right on their side and understandably fear a renewal of persecution if the Turkish army withdraws

As to its legality. From The Parliamentary Council of The Assembly of Europe, Resolution 573 (1974) saying in part:

Regretting the failure of the attempt to reach a diplomatic settlement which led the Turkish Government to exercise its right of intervention in accordance with Article 4 of the Guarantee Treaty of 1960;

...or the Athens Court of Appeal saying on 21 March 1979:

The Turkish intervention in Cyprus, which was carried out in accordance with the London-Zurich agreements, was legal. Turkey had, as one of the Guarantor Powers, the right to fulfill her obligation. The true guilty ones were the Greek Officers, who organised the coup and thereby created the conditions for an intervention.

The Cyprus problem is to be solved when Turkey will start to appply to UN for resolutions!!!!!

[Get Real!]

The 1960 constitution had not been adhered to since 1963.

It is alive and well even to this day where some 800,000 people live under it... where have you been?

Turkish military intervention was lawful by treaty.

If you’re trying to convince me that you’re daft you’ve succeeded. If not I'll give you one final chance to respond to this here...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=20395

Subsequently neither community leader wanted to return to the 1960 constitution and agreed to a BBF in Switzzerland. The details of that BBF are still being haggled over.

Which planet are you from? The 1960 constitution is what the population of the RoC has been living under since... wait for it... 1960!

I don't think Taksim has ever been a motive for any serious Turkish politician.

You are one hell of a weirdoe...