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Postby lovernomore » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:06 pm

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observer wrote:Review the last Century. There is hardly a border between EU counties that has not changed in the 20th Century. Sometimes through negotiation, but most frequently because of invasion and war. Not a single person has been brought back to life by trying to take back what was lost through invasion and war; many lives have probably been saved by accepting the facts as they stood.

Good idea! :idea: Now accept the facts that you’re just an uninvited Ottoman minority squeezed out by the island’s natural selection process and paddle back home…


If your goverment give one milion euros each person there will be not one tc left on island. but reality is if you just left everthing as it was in 63 and not atack you would distroy tcs economicaly and not one left on the island.

but what did you do? you wnat to exterminate them so now you pay high price :lol: :lol:

A million rounds of buckshot is my best offer… what the hell did we tax payers buy it for anyway?


It stil make economik sense to pay 1 milion euro each insted of milino bomb. is my best offer you take or you leeave? Trust me any other way will cost you lot more :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As I said... we've got stockpiles of buckshot with your name on them so do you want them or not? If unsure check your arse if it’s getting itchy because that would be a very good sign... :wink:


I just checkd and gues what? Its not my back itching, I have the time if you got the vazeline duck :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:13 pm

lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
observer wrote:Review the last Century. There is hardly a border between EU counties that has not changed in the 20th Century. Sometimes through negotiation, but most frequently because of invasion and war. Not a single person has been brought back to life by trying to take back what was lost through invasion and war; many lives have probably been saved by accepting the facts as they stood.

Good idea! :idea: Now accept the facts that you’re just an uninvited Ottoman minority squeezed out by the island’s natural selection process and paddle back home…


If your goverment give one milion euros each person there will be not one tc left on island. but reality is if you just left everthing as it was in 63 and not atack you would distroy tcs economicaly and not one left on the island.

but what did you do? you wnat to exterminate them so now you pay high price :lol: :lol:

A million rounds of buckshot is my best offer… what the hell did we tax payers buy it for anyway?

It stil make economik sense to pay 1 milion euro each insted of milino bomb. is my best offer you take or you leeave? Trust me any other way will cost you lot more :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As I said... we've got stockpiles of buckshot with your name on them so do you want them or not? If unsure check your arse if it’s getting itchy because that would be a very good sign... :wink:

I just checkd and gues what? Its not my back itching, I have the time if you got the vazeline duck :lol:

Vaseline is a luxury in Cyprus... ask the TMT if EOKA ever used it! Image
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Postby lovernomore » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:21 pm

Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
observer wrote:Review the last Century. There is hardly a border between EU counties that has not changed in the 20th Century. Sometimes through negotiation, but most frequently because of invasion and war. Not a single person has been brought back to life by trying to take back what was lost through invasion and war; many lives have probably been saved by accepting the facts as they stood.

Good idea! :idea: Now accept the facts that you’re just an uninvited Ottoman minority squeezed out by the island’s natural selection process and paddle back home…


If your goverment give one milion euros each person there will be not one tc left on island. but reality is if you just left everthing as it was in 63 and not atack you would distroy tcs economicaly and not one left on the island.

but what did you do? you wnat to exterminate them so now you pay high price :lol: :lol:

A million rounds of buckshot is my best offer… what the hell did we tax payers buy it for anyway?

It stil make economik sense to pay 1 milion euro each insted of milino bomb. is my best offer you take or you leeave? Trust me any other way will cost you lot more :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As I said... we've got stockpiles of buckshot with your name on them so do you want them or not? If unsure check your arse if it’s getting itchy because that would be a very good sign... :wink:

I just checkd and gues what? Its not my back itching, I have the time if you got the vazeline duck :lol:

Vaseline is a luxury in Cyprus... ask the TMT if EOKA ever used it! Image


Ask wich TMT? non left, your eoka kill them all, and not buy f****n, with bulits :(
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:45 pm

lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
observer wrote:Review the last Century. There is hardly a border between EU counties that has not changed in the 20th Century. Sometimes through negotiation, but most frequently because of invasion and war. Not a single person has been brought back to life by trying to take back what was lost through invasion and war; many lives have probably been saved by accepting the facts as they stood.

Good idea! :idea: Now accept the facts that you’re just an uninvited Ottoman minority squeezed out by the island’s natural selection process and paddle back home…


If your goverment give one milion euros each person there will be not one tc left on island. but reality is if you just left everthing as it was in 63 and not atack you would distroy tcs economicaly and not one left on the island.

but what did you do? you wnat to exterminate them so now you pay high price :lol: :lol:

A million rounds of buckshot is my best offer… what the hell did we tax payers buy it for anyway?

It stil make economik sense to pay 1 milion euro each insted of milino bomb. is my best offer you take or you leeave? Trust me any other way will cost you lot more :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As I said... we've got stockpiles of buckshot with your name on them so do you want them or not? If unsure check your arse if it’s getting itchy because that would be a very good sign... :wink:

I just checkd and gues what? Its not my back itching, I have the time if you got the vazeline duck :lol:

Vaseline is a luxury in Cyprus... ask the TMT if EOKA ever used it! Image


Ask wich TMT? non left, your eoka kill them all, and not buy f****n, with bulits :(

But I thought you wanted to play... :( Had I known that you’d cry so easily I would’ve used Vaseline! :cry:
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Postby lovernomore » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:04 pm

Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
observer wrote:Review the last Century. There is hardly a border between EU counties that has not changed in the 20th Century. Sometimes through negotiation, but most frequently because of invasion and war. Not a single person has been brought back to life by trying to take back what was lost through invasion and war; many lives have probably been saved by accepting the facts as they stood.

Good idea! :idea: Now accept the facts that you’re just an uninvited Ottoman minority squeezed out by the island’s natural selection process and paddle back home…


If your goverment give one milion euros each person there will be not one tc left on island. but reality is if you just left everthing as it was in 63 and not atack you would distroy tcs economicaly and not one left on the island.

but what did you do? you wnat to exterminate them so now you pay high price :lol: :lol:

A million rounds of buckshot is my best offer… what the hell did we tax payers buy it for anyway?

It stil make economik sense to pay 1 milion euro each insted of milino bomb. is my best offer you take or you leeave? Trust me any other way will cost you lot more :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As I said... we've got stockpiles of buckshot with your name on them so do you want them or not? If unsure check your arse if it’s getting itchy because that would be a very good sign... :wink:

I just checkd and gues what? Its not my back itching, I have the time if you got the vazeline duck :lol:

Vaseline is a luxury in Cyprus... ask the TMT if EOKA ever used it! Image


Ask wich TMT? non left, your eoka kill them all, and not buy f****n, with bulits :(

But I thought you wanted to play... :( Had I known that you’d cry so easily I would’ve used Vaseline! :cry:


Play? play what? you are sadistic and you hit to hurt, playing shoud be fun. Cut yur hair and check if 666 on your head :cry:
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:24 pm

lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
observer wrote:Review the last Century. There is hardly a border between EU counties that has not changed in the 20th Century. Sometimes through negotiation, but most frequently because of invasion and war. Not a single person has been brought back to life by trying to take back what was lost through invasion and war; many lives have probably been saved by accepting the facts as they stood.

Good idea! :idea: Now accept the facts that you’re just an uninvited Ottoman minority squeezed out by the island’s natural selection process and paddle back home…


If your goverment give one milion euros each person there will be not one tc left on island. but reality is if you just left everthing as it was in 63 and not atack you would distroy tcs economicaly and not one left on the island.

but what did you do? you wnat to exterminate them so now you pay high price :lol: :lol:

A million rounds of buckshot is my best offer… what the hell did we tax payers buy it for anyway?

It stil make economik sense to pay 1 milion euro each insted of milino bomb. is my best offer you take or you leeave? Trust me any other way will cost you lot more :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As I said... we've got stockpiles of buckshot with your name on them so do you want them or not? If unsure check your arse if it’s getting itchy because that would be a very good sign... :wink:

I just checkd and gues what? Its not my back itching, I have the time if you got the vazeline duck :lol:

Vaseline is a luxury in Cyprus... ask the TMT if EOKA ever used it! Image


Ask wich TMT? non left, your eoka kill them all, and not buy f****n, with bulits :(

But I thought you wanted to play... :( Had I known that you’d cry so easily I would’ve used Vaseline! :cry:

Play? play what? you are sadistic and you hit to hurt, playing shoud be fun. Cut yur hair and check if 666 on your head :cry:

Image <- Admin: Now look what you've done! :evil:
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Postby bigOz » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:39 pm

I wish to make couple of points clear here; Many moons ago in this very forum I had discussed the issue of Cyprus NOT being a "Greek island" EVER and successfully proved the point. If anyone wishes to restart that debate lets do it under a different post.

Yes, Greek traders from mainland Greece (I don't think they were even called Hellens or Greeks at the time!) did settle in Cyprus and occupied areas of it, but that was no different to what the Halafs, Assyrians, Hittites or even the Egyptians (Amorites) did long before them! Therefore GREEKS DID NOT CREATE CYPRUS OR EVER TOOK AN ETERNAL LEASE OF THE ISLAND! Ottomans ruled Cyprus and Turks settled on it for more than 300 years just like the Hellens or any other ruler who did the same before them

See Cyprus historic timeline if you do not take my word for it:
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/02/wae/ht02wae.htm

That being the fact, how can anyone start an argument with a foolish notion that only the Greeks are the rightful owners and not any other nationality who may have lived on the island just as long as they did? In fact, considering that HITITES were occupants of mainland Turkey, by the same reasoning residents of Turkish mainland may feel they are the rightful owners of the island, since they occupied and left their descendants on the island thousands of years before any Ionian, Hellenic or Byzantinian even set foot on it.

The above are not my sentiments or beliefs, but an example of why nationalistic and racist opinions based on such arguments can lead to very confrontational grounds and can never be a solution to any argument.

If the Greek Cypriots can take legal action in EU courts to claim damages/compensation for the loss of their land or property, so can any Turkish Cypriot who is in the same position. It has nothing to do with who left what, where...

I feel before any sensible discussion of such issues can take place, the GCs in this forum should sit back and think what the fuck it is exactly they are saying! Are you saying only GCs are entitled to compensation for the loss of their land and property? Why panic so much when a TC asks for his losses too?

How can any TC trust GCs to live as Cypriots in the same republic, if this is the sort of reaction current GCs will show to TCs (i.e. second class citizens without the same rights for compensation).

I do not necessarily agree that the events leading to the loss of land and life in Cyprus were necessarily the fault of TCs. That being the case there is no justification in using those events as an excuse either.

I was born in Cyprus, so where my mother and father, so where their parents and their parents' parents, owning and working the land going back hundreds of years - so what exactly does that make me? Just like I cannot say to GC's "why don't you fuck off back to Greece where you originally came from", no one can tell me to fuck off to Turkey! There will never be an ideal solution to the Cyprus problem because the GCs are not prepared to give up their Hellenistic identity, and the TCs will not give up their Turkish identity. Until occupants feel different - i.e. as Cypriots and nothing more, - there will never be a true solution that will satisfy both sides of the dividing line.

The best thing to do is to stop looking for the ideal solution now, and accept the de facto situation for another 15-20 years, until new generations on both sides are taught the correct history of Cyprus.
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:38 pm

How and why does anyone plunder a collapsed roof?

Halil please explain your reports on these observations which are confusing me, and others I think.

As for Cyprus having a Greek character, Big OZ, just count how many villages with Greek names the TRNC had to rename, how many Greek Orthodox churches it had to close down, and figure it out. Ownership does not exist as a notion in national terms. People inhabit an area, they do not own it. Greeks have inhabited Cyprus longer than anyone else, and did so continuously despite passing conquests.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:56 pm

When the Ottoman-Turks first invaded, the island was already Greek speaking, civilised, and had a long written history with many parallels and cultural similarities as well as shared families with mainland Greece .... going back thousands of years.

So yes Cyprus was Greek, and only came under Turkish interest recently. Of course you have some rights by modern practices, based on your accepting the RoC as the democratically elected legal government of the only recognized sovereign establishment of Cyprus. If you do not, then you must leave and join your brethren in Turkey or the parts of it that others are not contesting off you there! :wink: !

Most GCs would not ask TCs to deny their Turkish roots. We respect roots. Why do you insist we deny ours, which are so enviable. Why are you so different? :?
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Postby bigOz » Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:45 pm

Nikitas wrote:How and why does anyone plunder a collapsed roof?

Halil please explain your reports on these observations which are confusing me, and others I think.

As for Cyprus having a Greek character, Big OZ, just count how many villages with Greek names the TRNC had to rename, how many Greek Orthodox churches it had to close down, and figure it out. Ownership does not exist as a notion in national terms. People inhabit an area, they do not own it. Greeks have inhabited Cyprus longer than anyone else, and did so continuously despite passing conquests.


I do not egree with the above as an historic fact. Please follow the link to the timeline I provided in my post and you'll see exactly what I mean.

As for changing the names of the villages, it is true the GCs did not have to change that many Turkish village names but that was because they brought total destruction to hundreds of them (there was nothing left to change). Also, have you looked into how many mosques were left in South to be pillaged and bombed since 1963?

Although I believe I saw it reconstructed during my recent visit to South (probably with an EU or UN grant) I was a young boy during 1964 when I witnessed bombing and destruction of the Arabahmet Mosque's minaret on at least two occasions...

This info comes directly from www.UN.org:

The Greek Cypriot administration, which attempts to present itself as the
champion of conservation of cultural heritage, has, since 1963, been trying to eradicate all traces of the Turkish-Muslim heritage of Cyprus. During the period from 1963 to 1974, mosques, shrines and other holy sites in Turkish villages all around the island were destroyed by the Greek Cypriots. Today the remaining Ottoman Turkish shrines in South Cyprus have been targets of repeated arson attacks. For instance, on 3 December 2000, there was an arson attack on the Ömeriye Mosque, a significant Muslim shrine located in South Cyprus.

Furthermore, owing to the Greek Cypriot administration’s deliberate policy of total neglect, the Turkish-Muslim heritage in South Cyprus is under threat of disintegration. This utter disrespect for the Turkish-Islamic heritage has also been confirmed by independent sources, including Mr. Ymenus van der Werff, General Rapporteur of the Subcommittee on the Architectural and Artistic Heritage of the Committee of Culture and Education of the Council of Europe, who reported the following in his report published as a document of the Council of Europe on 2 July 1989 (AS/CULT/AA (41) (1), para. 5.3):

“We noted with regret the complete destruction of the main mosque in
Paphos. The whole area has since been flattened to give way for a widened road junction and a car park. There is no memorial to the existence of the mosque. Below the road a Turkish bath complex remains hidden in the rubble and vegetation awaiting restoration. The Turkish Cypriot cemetery by the nearby St. Sophia Mouttalos Mosque is dilapidated”.


Quote from US Dept of State web site:
"there are complaints of vandalism of unused Orthodox churches. Turkish Cypriots complain that unused mosques in the south have been treated similarly. Orthodox churches and cemeteries in the north continue to deteriorate due to vandalism and neglect. An unused Orthodox Church in the north is located in the center of a resort constructed during the year 2000 on the ground surrounding the church. Greek Cypriots complain that since 1974, religious icons have been removed from Orthodox churches in the north. A previously unknown Greek Cypriot nationalist organization claimed responsibility for an arson attack on a mosque in the south in August 1999; damage was light. The authorities repaired and built a fence around the mosque and pledged to increase protection of Muslim sites. No one was arrested for the attack. "

Here is a piece of news - only last year in May!
"The Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Turgay Avcý has strongly reacted to Saturday’s attack at the Great Mosque in Limassol.

Calling the attack carried out by two unknown assailants as `ugly and hateful`, he said `the attack has confirmed the discomfort felt by the Greek Cypriot Side over the Turkish-Moslem existence on the island.

He criticized the Greek Cypriot Administration and the Limassol Municipality for giving permission to the opening of a bar just next to the mosque, which is open for worship, on a building owned by the Mosque Foundation.

He also criticized the Greek Cypriot officials for turning a deaf ear to many complaints raised by those using the mosque for worship.

Noting that the Foreign Ministry has launched initiatives on the issue, including one at the United Nations Peace Keeping Forces in Cyprus, he called on the Greek Cypriot authorities to take all the necessary precautions, including the shutting down of the bar and to punish those responsible for the attack."

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