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[Get Real!]

I can indeed be a fool at times GR,but if your understanding of the Cyprus Problem comes down to "Denktash Ordered Turkey to Invade and they DID" you are a much bigger fool than I am...You should in fact be locked up and not allowed to insult anyone with your simplistic,hateful,disgusting attacks on your compatriots whose pain and suffering were at least as big as yours...

Your problem might indeed be that you were caught in the middle of it back in 1974,and you are suffering from PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder)...One symptom of this mental illness is that the sufferer has seriouly distorted cognitive functions...Another symptom is irrational,grandoise plans and ambitions when going though a manic state...All I want to tell you now is get yourself to a competent psychiatrist as soon as possible...You are on the verge of blowing your mind up...The bill is in the mail,by the way..

And what would I tell the psychiatrist? That I’m presenting you with evidence that you’re dismissing? Here’s some more for you to dismiss…

Turkish Cypriots greeting Turkish invaders and offering them refreshments…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjGKnvXzm30

There are more videos showing Turkish Cypriots carrying military equipment for the invader and/or climbing on Turkish tanks and other military vehicles heading south…

…but they’re all lies aren’t they because your people are the misunderstood victims and all Greek Cypriots should just visit a psychiatrist.

[BirKibrisli]

I can indeed be a fool at times GR,but if your understanding of the Cyprus Problem comes down to "Denktash Ordered Turkey to Invade and they DID" you are a much bigger fool than I am...You should in fact be locked up and not allowed to insult anyone with your simplistic,hateful,disgusting attacks on your compatriots whose pain and suffering were at least as big as yours...

Your problem might indeed be that you were caught in the middle of it back in 1974,and you are suffering from PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder)...One symptom of this mental illness is that the sufferer has seriouly distorted cognitive functions...Another symptom is irrational,grandoise plans and ambitions when going though a manic state...All I want to tell you now is get yourself to a competent psychiatrist as soon as possible...You are on the verge of blowing your mind up...The bill is in the mail,by the way..

And what would I tell the psychiatrist? That I’m presenting you with evidence that you’re dismissing? Here’s some more for you to dismiss…

Turkish Cypriots greeting Turkish invaders and offering them refreshments…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjGKnvXzm30

There are more videos showing Turkish Cypriots carrying military equipment for the invader and/or climbing on Turkish tanks and other military vehicles heading south…

…but they’re all lies aren’t they because your people are the misunderstood victims and all Greek Cypriots should just visit a psychiatrist.

And what does your "evidence" tell us,GR...???
Could it be that these poor sods were so petrified of their lives under Sampson that they would welcome the devil with open arms????

Or perhaps they looked back to the events of 1963-74,how they were made to feel second class,unwanted citizens in their own country and thought they were being liberated from a life of fear and indignity?????

Unless you are prepared to look at the whole picture and see how much the TCs suffered and kept on suffering under their "liberators" you have no moral authority to pass judgement on us...I know many Greek and Armenian Cypriots who have no need of a psychiatrist..You, on the other hand, are a basket case..Get thee to a Psychiatrist at once...

[Get Real!]

I can indeed be a fool at times GR,but if your understanding of the Cyprus Problem comes down to "Denktash Ordered Turkey to Invade and they DID" you are a much bigger fool than I am...You should in fact be locked up and not allowed to insult anyone with your simplistic,hateful,disgusting attacks on your compatriots whose pain and suffering were at least as big as yours...

Your problem might indeed be that you were caught in the middle of it back in 1974,and you are suffering from PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder)...One symptom of this mental illness is that the sufferer has seriouly distorted cognitive functions...Another symptom is irrational,grandoise plans and ambitions when going though a manic state...All I want to tell you now is get yourself to a competent psychiatrist as soon as possible...You are on the verge of blowing your mind up...The bill is in the mail,by the way..

And what would I tell the psychiatrist? That I’m presenting you with evidence that you’re dismissing? Here’s some more for you to dismiss…

Turkish Cypriots greeting Turkish invaders and offering them refreshments…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjGKnvXzm30

There are more videos showing Turkish Cypriots carrying military equipment for the invader and/or climbing on Turkish tanks and other military vehicles heading south…

…but they’re all lies aren’t they because your people are the misunderstood victims and all Greek Cypriots should just visit a psychiatrist.

And what does your "evidence" tell us,GR...???
Could it be that these poor sods were so petrified of their lives under Sampson that they would welcome the devil with open arms????

Or perhaps they looked back to the events of 1963-74,how they were made to feel second class,unwanted citizens in their own country and thought they were being liberated from a life of fear and indignity?????

Unless you are prepared to look at the whole picture and see how much the TCs suffered and kept on suffering under their "liberators" you have no moral authority to pass judgement on us...I know many Greek and Armenian Cypriots who have no need of a psychiatrist..You, on the other hand, are a basket case..Get thee to a Psychiatrist at once...

While your “poor sods” were petrified and on the phone calling Turkey to come, our sods were actually fighting off the coupists and shedding their blood…

…that’s the difference between a poor sod and a stupid one.

[Oracle]

Şener Levent wrote a very powerful peice in Afrika yesterday (10 November). I think it goes some way to answering the points raised in this thread. My translation:

ON THE VERGE OF EXTINCTION

You are a Turkish Cypriot. You live in the north of a divided island in which Turkish soldiers are posted along the divide. You are probably a civil servant. Or a worker. Or you are retired. You are the citizen of a make-believe state which is not recognised by the world. Wherever you travel, you have at least two passports in your pocket. You are also unsure as to how you define your identity. Turkish Cypriot? Turk of Cyprus? Or simply Turk? You are bound by the laws of a make-believe state. You pay your electricity bills, telephone dues, taxes, water money and vehicle licence fees all to this make-believe state. You call your leader – whom nobody in the world addresses as president - “Esteemed president”. You do not have your own money. You use the Turkish lira. You once grew olives. Now you eat imported olives. You had shoemakers. They have closed. You had joiners. They have closed. Your tailors have also closed. Your helva maker of a century’s standing has even locked his door. But you have an abundance of brothels, casinos and non-existent five-star hotels. You get along by selling land plundered from Greek Cypriots and from a variety of rackets conducted in the shade of the bayonet. Even though yours is a citrus land, your very lemons come from Argentina. The imported population has long since outnumbered yours. You do not even encounter one another in the streets any more. You are drowning in a criminal swamp; you sleep with a revolver or a knife under your pillow. All of you live in fear of being burgled at any time. If you should contract a mortal illness you immediately rush to the hospitals and doctors in the south. To avoid being swindled in the north, you shop in the south. You trust neither doctors, nor lawyers, judges, policemen nor politicians in this make-believe state. You may not yet have noticed but you are on the verge of extinction. Those at the top pass on the good news that, “If there is no solution, there will be partition.” They say, “Since the Greek Cypriots greatly fear partition they will have to accept our conditions.” In fact, it is you who really needs to fear partition. If there is partition, the Greek Cypriots will at least own half of Cyprus and will govern themselves as an independent nation. And you? You will continue to eke out an existence here under Turkey’s rule with a so-called parliament and government. You will at no time be the master under your own roof. Here-today-gone-tomorrow officers and ambassadors will rule you. More of you will disappear. Those of you that remain will get up and depart. The population that has taken over the area within the walls will also conquer the area outside the walls. Flags will be planted where the hills have been hollowed out and mosques built where citrus orchards have dried out. Those of you who are too long in the tooth to leave will meet in a few coffee shops frequented only by Cypriots and recall the days of old. Their grandchildren who come from abroad to visit them, unless a customs officer from Hatay creates problems, will negotiate their way through immigration before embracing them and kissing their hands. Those who do not carry a Republic of Turkey passport in their pockets will be denied entry here.
******
If I told you, “There is still time; come and let us rid ourselves of all of these curses” you would not join me. What else can I say?

Sener Levent is guilty of that which GR! has condemned the TCs. He has made a long list of what is wrong in the "trnc" and how miserable the TCs are now with "their" lot, but at no point addresses the lack of a moral code of conduct.

All one can say is Kismet, for the wrongs they have done to the GCs, and until they do the just thing and give back what they stole, they deserve nothing more than to stew!

Oracle, I just want to let you know that I feel only spastic and neurotic arrogant individuals can possibly come up with posts like yours. That's all I want to say.

Thank you King Kifeas. I am pleased it met with your approval ... I worked very hard on the arrogant delivery.

Soon our replies will be indistinguishable!

[BirKibrisli]

I can indeed be a fool at times GR,but if your understanding of the Cyprus Problem comes down to "Denktash Ordered Turkey to Invade and they DID" you are a much bigger fool than I am...You should in fact be locked up and not allowed to insult anyone with your simplistic,hateful,disgusting attacks on your compatriots whose pain and suffering were at least as big as yours...

Your problem might indeed be that you were caught in the middle of it back in 1974,and you are suffering from PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder)...One symptom of this mental illness is that the sufferer has seriouly distorted cognitive functions...Another symptom is irrational,grandoise plans and ambitions when going though a manic state...All I want to tell you now is get yourself to a competent psychiatrist as soon as possible...You are on the verge of blowing your mind up...The bill is in the mail,by the way..

And what would I tell the psychiatrist? That I’m presenting you with evidence that you’re dismissing? Here’s some more for you to dismiss…

Turkish Cypriots greeting Turkish invaders and offering them refreshments…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjGKnvXzm30

There are more videos showing Turkish Cypriots carrying military equipment for the invader and/or climbing on Turkish tanks and other military vehicles heading south…

…but they’re all lies aren’t they because your people are the misunderstood victims and all Greek Cypriots should just visit a psychiatrist.

And what does your "evidence" tell us,GR...???
Could it be that these poor sods were so petrified of their lives under Sampson that they would welcome the devil with open arms????

Or perhaps they looked back to the events of 1963-74,how they were made to feel second class,unwanted citizens in their own country and thought they were being liberated from a life of fear and indignity?????

Unless you are prepared to look at the whole picture and see how much the TCs suffered and kept on suffering under their "liberators" you have no moral authority to pass judgement on us...I know many Greek and Armenian Cypriots who have no need of a psychiatrist..You, on the other hand, are a basket case..Get thee to a Psychiatrist at once...

While your “poor sods” were petrified and on the phone calling Turkey to come, our sods were actually fighting off the coupists and shedding their blood…

…that’s the difference between a poor sod and a stupid one.

If you really think the TCs were in any position to help fight off the coupists then your cognitive distortions are much much worse than I thought...You might indeed be beyond help,dear GR..A long mental hospital sejourn is urgently indicated...

[Get Real!]

I can indeed be a fool at times GR,but if your understanding of the Cyprus Problem comes down to "Denktash Ordered Turkey to Invade and they DID" you are a much bigger fool than I am...You should in fact be locked up and not allowed to insult anyone with your simplistic,hateful,disgusting attacks on your compatriots whose pain and suffering were at least as big as yours...

Your problem might indeed be that you were caught in the middle of it back in 1974,and you are suffering from PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder)...One symptom of this mental illness is that the sufferer has seriouly distorted cognitive functions...Another symptom is irrational,grandoise plans and ambitions when going though a manic state...All I want to tell you now is get yourself to a competent psychiatrist as soon as possible...You are on the verge of blowing your mind up...The bill is in the mail,by the way..

And what would I tell the psychiatrist? That I’m presenting you with evidence that you’re dismissing? Here’s some more for you to dismiss…

Turkish Cypriots greeting Turkish invaders and offering them refreshments…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjGKnvXzm30

There are more videos showing Turkish Cypriots carrying military equipment for the invader and/or climbing on Turkish tanks and other military vehicles heading south…

…but they’re all lies aren’t they because your people are the misunderstood victims and all Greek Cypriots should just visit a psychiatrist.

And what does your "evidence" tell us,GR...???
Could it be that these poor sods were so petrified of their lives under Sampson that they would welcome the devil with open arms????

Or perhaps they looked back to the events of 1963-74,how they were made to feel second class,unwanted citizens in their own country and thought they were being liberated from a life of fear and indignity?????

Unless you are prepared to look at the whole picture and see how much the TCs suffered and kept on suffering under their "liberators" you have no moral authority to pass judgement on us...I know many Greek and Armenian Cypriots who have no need of a psychiatrist..You, on the other hand, are a basket case..Get thee to a Psychiatrist at once...

While your “poor sods” were petrified and on the phone calling Turkey to come, our sods were actually fighting off the coupists and shedding their blood…

…that’s the difference between a poor sod and a stupid one.

If you really think the TCs were in any position to help fight off the coupists then your cognitive distortions are much much worse than I thought...You might indeed be beyond help,dear GR..A long mental hospital sejourn is urgently indicated...

If they were more than capable of creating self-ruled enclaves on the island and deterring any attacks against them in 1963-64, why was it so hard for them to call up the Makarios supporters and offer their assistance to protect the sovereignty of Cyprus?

No amount of crying smileys can ever excuse your people’s treasonous schemes…

[Viewpoint]

Fight for the right to live in slums while the GCs hijacked the RoC and enjoyed the benefits demoting us to second class citizens or join Greece and face annihilation, thanks but no thanks.

[Get Real!]

Fight for the right to live in slums while the GCs hijacked the RoC and enjoyed the benefits demoting us to second class citizens or join Greece and face annihilation, thanks but no thanks.

That would've been a small sacrifice (less than 100 GCs died in total during the coup) that would've gone very far in elevating the TC community at par with GCs. A missed opportunity I'd say.

[Viewpoint]

Fight for the right to live in slums while the GCs hijacked the RoC and enjoyed the benefits demoting us to second class citizens or join Greece and face annihilation, thanks but no thanks.

That would've been a small sacrifice (less than 100 GCs died in total during the coup) that would've gone very far in elevating the TC community at par with GCs. A missed opportunity I'd say.

We were hardly on good terms and the past 11 years were hell on earth for us caused by guess who? right the GCs. If we fought and defeated the coupists we could go back to living under discrimination and persecution or lose our lives by being forced to join Greece which all the fuss was about in the first place, you are not being very logical, its a lose lose situation for us.

[Nikitas]

GR took objection to my post above, and he quotes:

"The idea is that we want to get rid of settlers and the Turkish army and have an independent nation where we feel we belong. If the TCs agree then the motives are a secondary matter."

"How short-sighted you are here because you then proceed and say... "

As long as the TCs agree that the Turkish army leaves, and also agree to establish a truly independent nation, in the full sense of the term, their motives are secondary. Like a British judge said: "the devil himself does not know what is in a man's mind". So the true motives of any partner are unknown an beyond detection. The desired goal is that the deal will be kept.