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[Murataga]

"It is only a matter of time before full trading rights are given to TRNC by the EU,"

You have full trading rights under EU regulations. Your products do not pass EU health and fitness tests because you do not want to apply EU aquis, you want special status. Stop whining and start selling as all others are doing in the EU.

Which effectively mandates the recognition of the essentially Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus as the sole authority on the island. An authority which banned the attendance to the parliament and eventually dropped the recognition of the official status of TC members of the parliament unless they accepted unconstitutional changes made in their absence, an authority that has not charged or indicted a single GC individual for any wrondoing/crime against a TC for the events that took place during the 60s period, an authority that feeds an unconstitutional army and police force, an authority that has illegally invited the Greek Army to the island and orchestrated attacks against the TC enclaves and individuals, an authority that has inflicted a heavy and ongoing embargo on the TCs which by the way started before the establishment of the TRNC and/or before a single batallion of the Turkish Army was stationed on the island, an authority whose leaders woud not even talk with us during our time in the enclaves unless we accepted to put the annexation of this island to Greece in the constitution...

"I returned to Cyprus and reported to Makarios on my talks in Athens. I asked if, after assurances given by Papadhopoulos, he would agree for article 185 of the 1960 Constitution, which prohibited both ENOSIS and partition, to be incorporated in the new constitution. He raised his arms, which were resting on his desk and said: "You see, Glafcos, these hands, they can cut them off, but I will NOT sign again any Constitution excluding ENOSIS."

From "My Deposition" by Glafcos Clerides
(Alithia Publishing, 1990, Volume III, p. 270)

Do you think the recognition of this authority is what it should take for us to be able to conduct trade with the rest of the world, or even be able to send postal mail to the rest of the world, or buy infant medicine for our children directly from the rest of the world, and etc.?

[Oracle]

... or buy infant medicine for our children directly from the rest of the world, and etc.?

Why buy it when Turkey gives it to you for free ... Or is Turkey letting you down with her cuts in your supplements. Dee dums!

My advice ... ask Turkey for more!

How privileged they are in our occupied land

[Piratis]

Murataga, the Cypriot people have suffered from the foreign invaders of your kind for centuries, and now you complain because Cyprus after 1963 was ruled democratically? (democracy = MAJORITY RULES, not "foreigners rule" or "minorities rule").

You are always welcome to come and cast your vote as equal Cypriot citizens, and have your full human and minority rights, even more rights than the rights that Turkey allows to the Greek or Kurdish minorities in Turkey, but you can not have the privileges you used to have during the Ottoman rule. We are not your slaves anymore. If you attack us trying to take away our democratic rights, then be sure we will fight back and nobody will blame us for doing so.

If you accept the international power politics that allowed your small minority to screw us in 1960 and gain on our loss, then you have to also accept that the international community accepted the reversal of those unfair terms, and accepted that it is right, after all, for Cyprus to be ruled democratically.

Either you like it or not Republic of Cyprus ruled democratically is the what is right and all the civilized world (which doesn't include Turkey of course) accepts this, including the EU and the UN.

Attacking us, killing us, committing ethnic cleansing against us, with the lame excuse that Cypriot people should not have the right for democracy, is simply not an excuse that anybody accepts, which is why your illegal occupation and your pseudo state are all declared as illegal by the whole world.

[kentish]

you know what you meant kikapu.you were suggesting theft and high cost of materials were worse in northern cyprus than anywhere else and i said its no worse than any other particular place.
and whats this about the the sinking lira , you have so much hatred in you for turks its bordering on racism,you disgusting individual

[Kifeas]

"It is only a matter of time before full trading rights are given to TRNC by the EU,"

You have full trading rights under EU regulations. Your products do not pass EU health and fitness tests because you do not want to apply EU aquis, you want special status. Stop whining and start selling as all others are doing in the EU.

Which effectively mandates the recognition of the essentially Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus as the sole authority on the island. An authority which banned the attendance to the parliament and eventually dropped the recognition of the official status of TC members of the parliament unless they accepted unconstitutional changes made in their absence, an authority that has not charged or indicted a single GC individual for any wrondoing/crime against a TC for the events that took place during the 60s period, an authority that feeds an unconstitutional army and police force, an authority that has illegally invited the Greek Army to the island and orchestrated attacks against the TC enclaves and individuals, an authority that has inflicted a heavy and ongoing embargo on the TCs which by the way started before the establishment of the TRNC and/or before a single batallion of the Turkish Army was stationed on the island, an authority whose leaders woud not even talk with us during our time in the enclaves unless we accepted to put the annexation of this island to Greece in the constitution...

"I returned to Cyprus and reported to Makarios on my talks in Athens. I asked if, after assurances given by Papadhopoulos, he would agree for article 185 of the 1960 Constitution, which prohibited both ENOSIS and partition, to be incorporated in the new constitution. He raised his arms, which were resting on his desk and said: "You see, Glafcos, these hands, they can cut them off, but I will NOT sign again any Constitution excluding ENOSIS."

From "My Deposition" by Glafcos Clerides
(Alithia Publishing, 1990, Volume III, p. 270)

Do you think the recognition of this authority is what it should take for us to be able to conduct trade with the rest of the world, or even be able to send postal mail to the rest of the world, or buy infant medicine for our children directly from the rest of the world, and etc.?

No Murataga, we GCs do not agree that it is the recognition of this authority what should take for you to be able to conduct trade with the rest of the world, and to be able to send postal mail to the rest of the world, etc! What will take for you to do all the above, will be the recognition that Turkey illegally occupies 37% of Cyprus and that it should withdraw its troops from there in order to allow the 200,000 indigenous GC population of currently occupied Cyprus to return back to their illegally usurped homes and properties. It is the recognition by you that you will be able to do all the above you wish, once you decide to end all the illegal economic, social and cultural embargoes against the 200,000 GC population that have been ethnically cleansed from the occupied north of Cyprus, with the help and aid of your “motherland!”

Once you recognize the need to end this illegal occupation and all these illegal embargoes against the GC inhabitants of northern Cyprus -a number of people larger than the entire size of the TC community, the embargoes against your community will also immediately cease to exist! Without doing this first, do not expect anything of this nature in exchange!

[Viewpoint]

And what will stop you from kicking the shit out of us as vengence?

[Piratis]

And what will stop you from kicking the shit out of us as vengence?

The Cypriot people have shown to be forgiving, which is why there was no vengeance against you after the Ottoman rule ended, although you had treated us like shit for 3+ centuries. (Unfortunately the conflict restarted when you decided to attack again in 1958).

But if you want guarantees and troops on the island then these could come from UN, EU or NATO. Why should they come from Turkey, a country which has acted illegally against Cyprus for so long?

[Viewpoint]

And what will stop you from kicking the shit out of us as vengence?

The Cypriot people have shown to be forgiving, which is why there was no vengeance against you after the Ottoman rule ended, although you had treated us like shit for 3+ centuries. (Unfortunately the conflict restarted when you decided to attack again in 1958).

But if you want guarantees and troops on the island then these could come from UN, EU or NATO. Why should they come from Turkey, a country which has acted illegally against Cyprus for so long?

In times of crisis the bodies you have mentioned do jack shit, remember Bosnia? you mouths say one thing but your hearts seek vengeance, if you have no intention then why not have Turkey the only country which took steps to help us to this day.

[Kifeas]

And what will stop you from kicking the shit out of us as vengence?

We are not in the business of "kicking the shit" out of anybody, "as vengeance!" We are a people, well known worldwide for our civilization and hospitality, which is why we receive almost 3 million of tourists every year in our country, which is a world record for a country of only 700 thousand people and by comparison would have meant 350 million tourists for Turkey, instead of only 20 million! This is a fact you TCs know very well, and already another TC, Sener Levent, has recently confirmed it for you, that even now that you still refuse to end the illegal embargoes against 200,000 GCs, you still choose to come south every day for shopping, hospital treatment and professional opportunities. You do so because you also recognize that we are one of the most civilized and hospitable people on this planet, as so many other Europeans do recognize and visit us every year. Some of you even make money from trafficking all these Middle-Eastern people, including many of your motherland's own Kurdish citizens, into the south, because all these people want to come here for the fact we are a very hospitable and civilized people! Why would all these people pay your illegal traffickers up to 5000 dollars per head, to help them come to Cyprus and cross south?

You see, I always speak with facts, instead of people like you who choose to speak with their ass!

[Piratis]

And what will stop you from kicking the shit out of us as vengence?

The Cypriot people have shown to be forgiving, which is why there was no vengeance against you after the Ottoman rule ended, although you had treated us like shit for 3+ centuries. (Unfortunately the conflict restarted when you decided to attack again in 1958).

But if you want guarantees and troops on the island then these could come from UN, EU or NATO. Why should they come from Turkey, a country which has acted illegally against Cyprus for so long?

In times of crisis the bodies you have mentioned do jack shit, remember Bosnia? you mouths say one thing but your hearts seek vengeance, if you have no intention then why not have Turkey the only country which took steps to help us to this day.

The same way you want guarantees because you do not trust us, we want guarantees because we do not trust Turkey. Not so difficult to understand is it VP?