Synthetic fur is a petroleum derivative. Its manufacture causes considerable increase in pollution, harmful chemicals and CO2 emissions. Indirectly synthetics kill MANY MORE ANIMALS than using real fur ever will.
Bugger the hypocrites. Buy the coyote!
Is it OK to wear real fur?
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by BOF » Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:05 pm
MoD discusses bearskin hat plans
The Ministry of Defence has met an animal rights group to discuss alternatives to the bearskin hats worn by guards at Buckingham Palace.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta) has approached Vivienne Westwood and Stella McCartney to design a new shape for the 18ins hat.
The charity has previously called for fake fur to be used, but said the MoD was not happy with prototype designs.
The MoD said it was "actively looking for alternatives" to using bearskin.
Baroness Taylor, minister for defence procurement, met Peta on Tuesday.
An MoD spokesman said it had arranged an industry day in October to explore the issue further.
"We have invited Peta to attend that industry day and we wait to see whether they will take up our offer.
"We are pleased that Peta acknowledges the progress MoD has made in producing faux fur alternatives for other ceremonial clothing, such as the busby cap worn by members of the Royal Horse Artillery and the leopard skins previously used by musicians.
Most people think it's fake fur and when they find out it's real and it takes one bear to make a hat, they are appalled
Robbie LeBlanc, Peta
"In the meantime, we have to maintain existing stocks of ceremonial caps but we are minimising the need to take up new fur by refurbishing existing caps wherever possible."
The MoD says it is open to alternatives to real bearskin, but that previous attempts to replace it with synthetic fur have failed because the material has not been durable or weatherproof enough.
The ministry also wants to avoid if possible any change in the look of the red-coated sentries guarding Buckingham Palace, whose uniforms have long been one of the top tourist sights in London.
However, Peta is proposing a new hat shape and has also approached designer Marc Bouwer as well as McCartney and Westwood.
Robbie LeBlanc, Peta's director for Europe, said that although the group was proposing a different shape for the hats it did not mean the new design could not become "iconic".
"Most people think it's fake fur and when they find out it's real and it takes one bear to make a hat, they are appalled," he said.
'Inexcusable'
The meeting is the culmination of a media campaign by Peta that has included a naked protest outside Buckingham Palace.
More recently, comedian Ricky Gervais sent an open letter to Prime Minister Gordon Brown, calling the continued use of real fur inexcusable.
"I understand and appreciate the importance of uniforms, but continuing to use real fur in the 21st century is inexcusable, regardless of 'tradition'," the letter said.
"The public are relying on you to bring about a humane changing of the guards."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/u ... 590705.stm
Published: 2008/09/02 22:56:16 GMT
© BBC MMVIII
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The Ministry of Defence has met an animal rights group to discuss alternatives to the bearskin hats worn by guards at Buckingham Palace.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta) has approached Vivienne Westwood and Stella McCartney to design a new shape for the 18ins hat.
The charity has previously called for fake fur to be used, but said the MoD was not happy with prototype designs.
The MoD said it was "actively looking for alternatives" to using bearskin.
Baroness Taylor, minister for defence procurement, met Peta on Tuesday.
An MoD spokesman said it had arranged an industry day in October to explore the issue further.
"We have invited Peta to attend that industry day and we wait to see whether they will take up our offer.
"We are pleased that Peta acknowledges the progress MoD has made in producing faux fur alternatives for other ceremonial clothing, such as the busby cap worn by members of the Royal Horse Artillery and the leopard skins previously used by musicians.
Most people think it's fake fur and when they find out it's real and it takes one bear to make a hat, they are appalled
Robbie LeBlanc, Peta
"In the meantime, we have to maintain existing stocks of ceremonial caps but we are minimising the need to take up new fur by refurbishing existing caps wherever possible."
The MoD says it is open to alternatives to real bearskin, but that previous attempts to replace it with synthetic fur have failed because the material has not been durable or weatherproof enough.
The ministry also wants to avoid if possible any change in the look of the red-coated sentries guarding Buckingham Palace, whose uniforms have long been one of the top tourist sights in London.
However, Peta is proposing a new hat shape and has also approached designer Marc Bouwer as well as McCartney and Westwood.
Robbie LeBlanc, Peta's director for Europe, said that although the group was proposing a different shape for the hats it did not mean the new design could not become "iconic".
"Most people think it's fake fur and when they find out it's real and it takes one bear to make a hat, they are appalled," he said.
'Inexcusable'
The meeting is the culmination of a media campaign by Peta that has included a naked protest outside Buckingham Palace.
More recently, comedian Ricky Gervais sent an open letter to Prime Minister Gordon Brown, calling the continued use of real fur inexcusable.
"I understand and appreciate the importance of uniforms, but continuing to use real fur in the 21st century is inexcusable, regardless of 'tradition'," the letter said.
"The public are relying on you to bring about a humane changing of the guards."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/u ... 590705.stm
Published: 2008/09/02 22:56:16 GMT
© BBC MMVIII
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by Nikitas » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:07 pm
Peta are those dimwits that state that "rats have rights" and urge people with a rat problem to solve it by live catching and then releasing the rats on other people's property. It is a criminal offence in England to keep a live wild rat, so PETA's advice is incitement to commit a crime. Following the advice is technically a conspiracy, ie an agreement between two or more persons to commit an unlawful act.
Has anyone seen a financial statement by PETA? Does anyone know what their charter of association say about appointments to the board and how presidents and board members are chosen? Are there annual general meetings in which paid up members exercise democratic election rights? Does PETA follow the guidelines of fund raising laid down by the EU for charitable bodies?
Has anyone seen a financial statement by PETA? Does anyone know what their charter of association say about appointments to the board and how presidents and board members are chosen? Are there annual general meetings in which paid up members exercise democratic election rights? Does PETA follow the guidelines of fund raising laid down by the EU for charitable bodies?
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by BOF » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:25 pm
as far as im concerned (and the thread is about wearing fur) there is a movement afoot to get the use of real bearskin banned by the MOD.
They have already gone down the right path with other skins and are in consultation regarding a substitute.
Public opinion is against it continuing as highlighted by Ricky Gervais .
that is a positive start. if it comes to fruition that is a result.
its there in black and white.
it can save bears.
Now the real challenge is to stop bears in China held in appaling conditions and having their Bile removed.
They have already gone down the right path with other skins and are in consultation regarding a substitute.
Public opinion is against it continuing as highlighted by Ricky Gervais .
that is a positive start. if it comes to fruition that is a result.
its there in black and white.
it can save bears.
Now the real challenge is to stop bears in China held in appaling conditions and having their Bile removed.
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by Nikitas » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:43 pm
BOF,
The conservation and management practices employed by the US Fish and Wildlife Service produce thousands of harvestable black bears every year.
One way or another these bears will have to be culled. It sounds strange in these times of constant fear mongering and the terrorising of the population with false science to see that wildlife can actually be increased. It is not complicated. Wild animals respond to proper management pretty much like domestic ones. The USA today has more deer than at any time in its known history, and most species are increasing. PETA knows this and tries to cast it in a negative light in its public statements. You just cannot do right with these people.
PETA are dangerous eco fascists who have refused to condemn the deliberate harm to people after various animal rights violent acts.
The conservation and management practices employed by the US Fish and Wildlife Service produce thousands of harvestable black bears every year.
One way or another these bears will have to be culled. It sounds strange in these times of constant fear mongering and the terrorising of the population with false science to see that wildlife can actually be increased. It is not complicated. Wild animals respond to proper management pretty much like domestic ones. The USA today has more deer than at any time in its known history, and most species are increasing. PETA knows this and tries to cast it in a negative light in its public statements. You just cannot do right with these people.
PETA are dangerous eco fascists who have refused to condemn the deliberate harm to people after various animal rights violent acts.
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by Svetlana » Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:44 am
The British Regiments wearing Bearskins is hardly relevent to the survical of the species. Bearskins last for hunbdreds of years and are often handed on. About 80-100 new Bearskins are fabricated every year - when several thousand bears are culled in Russia each year; as well as hundreds in other countries, of course.
There would be a lot of cold heads in Moscow
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There would be a lot of cold heads in Moscow
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by BOF » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:38 am
Nikitas i understand your point and its a valid one.
There has been a similar debate regarding the Elephants in Kruger national park for some years...Some people have claimed that there is overpopulation and at the present rate of new births the parks biodiversity would be degraded to such an extent that it would never recover. They suggested culling 13.000 Elephants. Others claimed that left alone natural selection would ensure the survival of the fittest animals and keep the gene pool strong. this happens in other parts of Africa.
This Debate has been going on for years without any final conclusion being agreed on or action taken But the park biodiversity is still intact and the elephants are still there. Just sometimes maybe we dont know all the answers.?
Svetlana.
the point i was making was although the bearskin use was a longstanding tradition (as someone else pointed out) traditions and customs can be changed as we supposedly become more aware of their impact.
I have recently seen film on British tv of Russian hunters seeking out hibernating bears and shooting them..which shows the other side of the coin - how low can mankind sink to destroy things because they are there.
There has been a similar debate regarding the Elephants in Kruger national park for some years...Some people have claimed that there is overpopulation and at the present rate of new births the parks biodiversity would be degraded to such an extent that it would never recover. They suggested culling 13.000 Elephants. Others claimed that left alone natural selection would ensure the survival of the fittest animals and keep the gene pool strong. this happens in other parts of Africa.
This Debate has been going on for years without any final conclusion being agreed on or action taken But the park biodiversity is still intact and the elephants are still there. Just sometimes maybe we dont know all the answers.?
Svetlana.
the point i was making was although the bearskin use was a longstanding tradition (as someone else pointed out) traditions and customs can be changed as we supposedly become more aware of their impact.
I have recently seen film on British tv of Russian hunters seeking out hibernating bears and shooting them..which shows the other side of the coin - how low can mankind sink to destroy things because they are there.
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