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[denizaksulu]

Thank you GR. As ever trying to cover up the dirt dished out by O.

Unless she can provide the evidence for her statement, It should be withdrawn.

Will "Young Turks" do?

NO!! R U her mouth piece now?

Go read up on your history Oracle!


Happy?

Can I post all the dirt and vile atrocities I come across, without being called a spastic neurotic or other such terms?

I have not aleed you names Oracle. I read the same book as you, remember? Were there 1.5 Million Armenians in Smyrna?

Oy Oy Oy!

I didn't say they were in Smyrna you "one-book" klutz.

Smorganoff!

Sorry about the typo. I had eye grops in. (iris dilatory)

ok. I forgive you. Sock it to me baby, or is GR still finding it for you.

Lookie here my blind cave fish, the evidence was handed to you on a platter over the page and you have clearly stumbled right past it whilst doing your little Astyanax impression

Mustafa Kemal may have belonged to the 'Jeun Turcs' but was never close to the unholy triumvirate of Talat, Enver and Djemal. The only thing they had in common was their desire to halt the crumbling of the Ottoman Empire. At almost all of his military life he was an opponent of the policies of the three Pashas. It is unlikely that you can link Mustafa Kemal to the fate of the Uunfortunate Armenians who lost their lives during those troubled years. By the same token, not all Commanders of the German army can be held responsible for the 'holocaust'.

[Tim Drayton]

I once visited the home of an Armenian resident of Istanbul, and remember that a large framed photograph of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk adorned his living room wall. In Turkey, most followers of faiths other than orthodox Sunni Islam are fervent supporters of Kemalism because the separation of religion and state guarantees freedom of faith for all. Minorities do not feel entirely secure in modern Turkey, but they would much rather live in a secular state than one in which Sunni Islam is the established religion.

[denizaksulu]

Thank you GR. As ever trying to cover up the dirt dished out by O.

Unless she can provide the evidence for her statement, It should be withdrawn.

Will "Young Turks" do?

NO!! R U her mouth piece now?

Go read up on your history Oracle!


Happy?

Can I post all the dirt and vile atrocities I come across, without being called a spastic neurotic or other such terms?

I have not aleed you names Oracle. I read the same book as you, remember? Were there 1.5 Million Armenians in Smyrna?

Oy Oy Oy!

I didn't say they were in Smyrna you "one-book" klutz.

Smorganoff!

Sorry about the typo. I had eye grops in. (iris dilatory)

ok. I forgive you. Sock it to me baby, or is GR still finding it for you.

Lookie here my blind cave fish, the evidence was handed to you on a platter over the page and you have clearly stumbled right past it whilst doing your little Astyanax impression

karma
lecturer



Joined: 29 Nov 2006
Posts: 2953







One can easily state that Ataturk had achieved the military successes of George Washington, the political savvy of John Adams along the qualities of a Renaissance man such as Jefferson, all of it within less than twentyfive years. Nevertheless, this is an important work that, hopefully, may stimulate further evaluation of Ataturk, who, it may be useful to mention,had been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by the then greek prime minister Elefterios Venizelos, once his foe..
Not withstanding his deprecators acting on misinformation and personal hatred, he deserves to be placed among the greatest achievers of the 20th century



Re-quoting Karma's (izninizle Karma) recent post. Do you think that Mustafa Kemal, would be honoured as such by Venizelos, had your unfounded claim be true? It was the three Pashas who were sought for trial after the war . Not Mustafa Kemal.

[Oracle]

Thank you GR. As ever trying to cover up the dirt dished out by O.

Unless she can provide the evidence for her statement, It should be withdrawn.

Will "Young Turks" do?

NO!! R U her mouth piece now?

Go read up on your history Oracle!


Happy?

Can I post all the dirt and vile atrocities I come across, without being called a spastic neurotic or other such terms?

I have not aleed you names Oracle. I read the same book as you, remember? Were there 1.5 Million Armenians in Smyrna?

Oy Oy Oy!

I didn't say they were in Smyrna you "one-book" klutz.

Smorganoff!

Sorry about the typo. I had eye grops in. (iris dilatory)

ok. I forgive you. Sock it to me baby, or is GR still finding it for you.

Lookie here my blind cave fish, the evidence was handed to you on a platter over the page and you have clearly stumbled right past it whilst doing your little Astyanax impression

Mustafa Kemal may have belonged to the 'Jeun Turcs' but was never close to the unholy triumvirate of Talat, Enver and Djemal. The only thing they had in common was their desire to halt the crumbling of the Ottoman Empire. At almost all of his military life he was an opponent of the policies of the three Pashas. It is unlikely that you can link Mustafa Kemal to the fate of the Uunfortunate Armenians who lost their lives during those troubled years. By the same token, not all Commanders of the German army can be held responsible for the 'holocaust'.

Deniz he was a high-ranking officer amongst the instigators of the Genocide. A few million people do not get massacred over just a few years without those high-ranking officers sharing responsibility if not being directly responsible. He was in the "right" place at the "right" time (1915 - 1923) and he had the power. The fact that one of the biggest slaughters of mankind happened right under his nose amongst the people he commanded; then it is only wishful thinking on your part to pretend he rose in ranks amongst all this, without visibly preventing such slaughter.

You may want to keep his memory sacred but that is not the only evil he has been responsible for, so clearly you are blinded, not just by your pupil-dilatory drops, but by silly adulation.

[Oracle]

...
Do you think that Mustafa Kemal, would be honoured as such by Venizelos, had your unfounded claim be true? .

Here are some more Nominees ...

When the past nominations were released it was discovered that Adolf Hitler was nominated in 1939 by Erik Brandt, a member of the Swedish Parliament. Brandt retracted the nomination after a few days. Other infamous nominees included Joseph Stalin and Benito Mussolini.

What is your point?

[denizaksulu]

Thank you GR. As ever trying to cover up the dirt dished out by O.

Unless she can provide the evidence for her statement, It should be withdrawn.

Will "Young Turks" do?

NO!! R U her mouth piece now?

Go read up on your history Oracle!


Happy?

Can I post all the dirt and vile atrocities I come across, without being called a spastic neurotic or other such terms?

I have not aleed you names Oracle. I read the same book as you, remember? Were there 1.5 Million Armenians in Smyrna?

Oy Oy Oy!

I didn't say they were in Smyrna you "one-book" klutz.

Smorganoff!

Sorry about the typo. I had eye grops in. (iris dilatory)

ok. I forgive you. Sock it to me baby, or is GR still finding it for you.

Lookie here my blind cave fish, the evidence was handed to you on a platter over the page and you have clearly stumbled right past it whilst doing your little Astyanax impression

Mustafa Kemal may have belonged to the 'Jeun Turcs' but was never close to the unholy triumvirate of Talat, Enver and Djemal. The only thing they had in common was their desire to halt the crumbling of the Ottoman Empire. At almost all of his military life he was an opponent of the policies of the three Pashas. It is unlikely that you can link Mustafa Kemal to the fate of the Uunfortunate Armenians who lost their lives during those troubled years. By the same token, not all Commanders of the German army can be held responsible for the 'holocaust'.

Deniz he was a high-ranking officer amongst the instigators of the Genocide. A few million people do not get massacred over just a few years without those high-ranking officers sharing responsibility if not being directly responsible. He was in the "right" place at the "right" time (1915 - 1923) and he had the power. The fact that one of the biggest slaughters of mankind happened right under his nose amongst the people he commanded; then it is only wishful thinking on your part to pretend he rose in ranks amongst all this, without visibly preventing such slaughter.

You may want to keep his memory sacred but that is not the only evil he has been responsible for, so clearly you are blinded, not just by your pupil-dilatory drops, but by silly adulation.

Ok, miss 'credible evidence'. You are clutching on straws here.

Why waqs he not sought out by the Europeans for war crimes after the war ended? The others were, but were murdered by other fanatics before they could stand trial.

[EPSILON]

And what has he to do with Cyprus?

His reforms in Turkey are totally irrelevant to Cyprus. In the south we do not celebrate the birth or death of mainland Greek personalities. This adulation of one person is not healthy.

He made no claim on Cyprus with the Lausanne Treaty. The Greek Cypriots might be greatful.

Are greatfull to Greeks in Salonica who educated him and helped him to do what he did. They were thinking that they were fighting the Sultan through Attaturk but actually they were figthing themselves.!!!1

[Oracle]

Thank you GR. As ever trying to cover up the dirt dished out by O.

Unless she can provide the evidence for her statement, It should be withdrawn.

Will "Young Turks" do?

NO!! R U her mouth piece now?

Go read up on your history Oracle!


Happy?

Can I post all the dirt and vile atrocities I come across, without being called a spastic neurotic or other such terms?

I have not aleed you names Oracle. I read the same book as you, remember? Were there 1.5 Million Armenians in Smyrna?

Oy Oy Oy!

I didn't say they were in Smyrna you "one-book" klutz.

Smorganoff!

Sorry about the typo. I had eye grops in. (iris dilatory)

ok. I forgive you. Sock it to me baby, or is GR still finding it for you.

Lookie here my blind cave fish, the evidence was handed to you on a platter over the page and you have clearly stumbled right past it whilst doing your little Astyanax impression

Mustafa Kemal may have belonged to the 'Jeun Turcs' but was never close to the unholy triumvirate of Talat, Enver and Djemal. The only thing they had in common was their desire to halt the crumbling of the Ottoman Empire. At almost all of his military life he was an opponent of the policies of the three Pashas. It is unlikely that you can link Mustafa Kemal to the fate of the Uunfortunate Armenians who lost their lives during those troubled years. By the same token, not all Commanders of the German army can be held responsible for the 'holocaust'.

Deniz he was a high-ranking officer amongst the instigators of the Genocide. A few million people do not get massacred over just a few years without those high-ranking officers sharing responsibility if not being directly responsible. He was in the "right" place at the "right" time (1915 - 1923) and he had the power. The fact that one of the biggest slaughters of mankind happened right under his nose amongst the people he commanded; then it is only wishful thinking on your part to pretend he rose in ranks amongst all this, without visibly preventing such slaughter.

You may want to keep his memory sacred but that is not the only evil he has been responsible for, so clearly you are blinded, not just by your pupil-dilatory drops, but by silly adulation.

Ok, miss 'credible evidence'. You are clutching on straws here.

Why was he not sought out by the Europeans for war crimes after the war ended? The others were, but were murdered by other fanatics before they could stand trial.

How many criminals have gotten away?

He was a very "clever" politician ... I will give him credit for that.

But getting away unpunished does not mean the crime was not carried out. There could be all sorts of reasons one gets away ... Look at the illegalities being carried out in the occupied part of Cyprus.

Will Turkey face the music for that, or will their clever Kemalisms get them out of paying for their crimes?

I'm sorry Deniz, but if simply because he got away without facing punishment, is the only reason you think he is innocent, then you are clearly clutching at straws for reasons to venerate him.

[karma]

Ok, miss 'credible evidence'. You are clutching on straws here.

Why waqs he not sought out by the Europeans for war crimes after the war ended? The others were, but were murdered by other fanatics before they could stand trial.

Deniz I am afraid you r wasting your time, you really dont have to prove anything, during 1914-1922 thousands of Turkish people were massacred too, coz it was a war !! So simple !! Why it is so hard to accept it for some people, really scary..
As for the lies and accusations about Kemal's leadership, I have only a proverb to say : '' Meyve veren agac tashlanir ''

[denizaksulu]

Thank you GR. As ever trying to cover up the dirt dished out by O.

Unless she can provide the evidence for her statement, It should be withdrawn.

Will "Young Turks" do?

NO!! R U her mouth piece now?

Go read up on your history Oracle!


Happy?

Can I post all the dirt and vile atrocities I come across, without being called a spastic neurotic or other such terms?

I have not aleed you names Oracle. I read the same book as you, remember? Were there 1.5 Million Armenians in Smyrna?

Oy Oy Oy!

I didn't say they were in Smyrna you "one-book" klutz.

Smorganoff!

Sorry about the typo. I had eye grops in. (iris dilatory)

ok. I forgive you. Sock it to me baby, or is GR still finding it for you.

Lookie here my blind cave fish, the evidence was handed to you on a platter over the page and you have clearly stumbled right past it whilst doing your little Astyanax impression

Mustafa Kemal may have belonged to the 'Jeun Turcs' but was never close to the unholy triumvirate of Talat, Enver and Djemal. The only thing they had in common was their desire to halt the crumbling of the Ottoman Empire. At almost all of his military life he was an opponent of the policies of the three Pashas. It is unlikely that you can link Mustafa Kemal to the fate of the Uunfortunate Armenians who lost their lives during those troubled years. By the same token, not all Commanders of the German army can be held responsible for the 'holocaust'.

Deniz he was a high-ranking officer amongst the instigators of the Genocide. A few million people do not get massacred over just a few years without those high-ranking officers sharing responsibility if not being directly responsible. He was in the "right" place at the "right" time (1915 - 1923) and he had the power. The fact that one of the biggest slaughters of mankind happened right under his nose amongst the people he commanded; then it is only wishful thinking on your part to pretend he rose in ranks amongst all this, without visibly preventing such slaughter.

You may want to keep his memory sacred but that is not the only evil he has been responsible for, so clearly you are blinded, not just by your pupil-dilatory drops, but by silly adulation.

Ok, miss 'credible evidence'. You are clutching on straws here.

Why was he not sought out by the Europeans for war crimes after the war ended? The others were, but were murdered by other fanatics before they could stand trial.

How many criminals have gotten away?

He was a very "clever" politician ... I will give him credit for that.

But getting away unpunished does not mean the crime was not carried out. There could be all sorts of reasons one gets away ... Look at the illegalities being carried out in the occupied part of Cyprus.

Will Turkey face the music for that, or will their clever Kemalisms get them out of paying for their crimes?

I'm sorry Deniz, but if simply because he got away without facing punishment, is the only reason you think he is innocent, then you are clearly clutching at straws for reasons to venerate him.

Enver Pasha, on of the Germanophile triumvirate was also a hero, until his criminal activities came out. No wonder Mustafa Kemal turned against him.

About the activities in the North of Cyprus, I sincerely hope that all criminal activities are punished and those that took part in illegalities are brought to justice. Who will do that? Why havent they done so, yet?