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[CBBB]

I noted with interest that CyBC's news in English yesterday evening devoted quite lengthy coverage to this anniversary, with footage of political leaders visiting Ataturk's mausoleum. The commentary had a positive tone, and Ataturk was described in glowing terms as the man who created the modern, secular Turkish state out of the ashes of the Ottoman Empire. Am I reading too much into this, or could this presage a thaw in relations between Cyprus and Turkey?

I also noted that the news in Turkish, which followed, did not carry this story at all. Perhaps they assumed that this would all be common knowledge to Turkish speakers.

The item on the Greek news at 8 O'clock was similar.

CYBC definitely is the Government propaganda machine, although since the election of Christophias, it sometimes seems to be the previous Government that is still in charge there.

[Tim Drayton]

My information is ,Nil,that there are at least 500,000 people in the trnc at the moment,of which only about 80,000 are real TCs...

I haven’t come across any credible evidence to back the 400,000 illegal settlers figure you claim but more like 180,000.

It all depends on who you count. There are different categories of people, from the settlers who were introduced en masse in the first few years after the invasion and were given citizenship immediately to the large numbers of Turkish citizens who over the years have come on work visas, many of whom have later acquired citizenship. Many Turks used to come as tourists (they used to be able to enter Cyprus simply by showing their Republic of Turkey ID card) and then work illegally - I think they have clamped down on this practice more recently, but it is probably still going on to an extent. Huge numbers of young middle-class Turks are attending the private universities in the north. At any one time, lots of Turks are over on holidays and business trips etc. Turkish criminal gangs are also apparently targeting Cyprus and send a constant stream of people over on tourist visas. If you actually count the number of mainland Turks who are de facto present on Cyprus soil at any one time, I wouldn't be surprised if the total was close to the figure mentioned by Birkibrisli.

[CBBB]

So TC's are more or less the same proportion of the population in the occupied areas (20%) as they were as part of the RoC (18%).

Interesting!

[Oracle]

Let us not forget the 1.5 Million Armenians he murdered, the destruction of Smyrna and the curse he has put on the Kurds.

He taught a nation how to say one thing but do another .....

LOGIC

[BirKibrisli]

Bir said:

"My information is ,Nil,that there are at least 500,000 people in the trnc at the moment,of which only about 80,000 are real TCs..."

Bir, where would all these people be housed? The number does not ring true. If we calculate that 200 000 GCs vacated the north, then there would be enough room for as many people to be brought in. On the other hand, there are many abandoned villages in the north, showing that the place is not filled to the brim.

I do not doubt that TCs are now outnumbered but that is not the same as saying that there are 500 000 people in the north.

The irony these days is that the old city of Nicosia has been abandoned by its former inhabitants. The south is inhabited mostly by immigrant workers and the north by settlers. And the armies of both sides are carefully monitoring the dividing line with the multinational UN force in the middle. These were the neighborhoods so bitterly fought over in 1958 and 1963!

Nikitas,
I recently met a childhood friend who has just retired from a high level government job in the relevant department...I got my info from him...

That figure include the soldiers,uni students,the "legal" settlers,and the legal and illegal guest workers...Housing is not a problem if you are prepared to share an average size house with 3-4 other families...
Or if you are prepared to sleep wherever your employer lets you to sleep,like construction sites,roofs or cellars of hotels etc...It is human tragedy whichever way you look at it ,I am afraid...

[BirKibrisli]

My information is ,Nil,that there are at least 500,000 people in the trnc at the moment,of which only about 80,000 are real TCs...

I haven’t come across any credible evidence to back the 400,000 illegal settlers figure you claim but more like 180,000.

And you are not likely to come across any "credible evidence" for some time to come,GR...

[denizaksulu]

Let us not forget the 1.5 Million Armenians he murdered, the destruction of Smyrna and the curse he has put on the Kurds.

He taught a nation how to say one thing but do another .....

LOGIC

Oracle. Are you trying to piss GR off now? If you are going to make such a ridiculous statement, please provide 'credible evidence or links' where Mustafa Kemal has murdered 1.5 Million Armenians.

[Get Real!]

Oracle. Are you trying to piss GR off now? If you are going to make such a ridiculous statement, please provide 'credible evidence or links' where Mustafa Kemal has murdered 1.5 Million Armenians.

I don't know which individual/s was/were responsible among the Ottomans...

Armenian Genocide from the Library of Congress

Nonetheless, the evidence accumulated by a wide variety of individuals, including the Turkish Military Tribunal after the war, leaves little doubt of the intention to effect a systematic criminal plan to destroy Armenians and Armenian culture "under cover of war." A small exhibition accompanying the conference displayed some of the textual and photographic evidence of the destruction of 1.4 million Armenians.

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0011/armenia.html


In 1895 Ottoman suspicion of the westernized Armenian population led to the massacre of 300,000 Armenians by special order of the Ottoman government.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+am0018)


Citing the threat of internal rebellion, the Ottoman government ordered large-scale roundups, deportations, and systematic torture and murder of Armenians beginning in the spring of 1915. Estimates vary from 600,000 to 2 million deaths out of the prewar population of about 3 million Armenians. By 1917 fewer than 200,000 Armenians remained in Turkey.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+am0019)

[denizaksulu]

Thank you GR. As ever trying to cover up the dirt dished out by O.

Unless she can provide the evidence for her statement, It should be withdrawn.

[Get Real!]

Thank you GR. As ever trying to cover up the dirt dished out by O.

Unless she can provide the evidence for her statement, It should be withdrawn.

Will "Young Turks" do?