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Postby Oracle » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:13 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:So it would be interesting to find out precisely what their duties were against their fellow Colonial subjects fighting for their freedom from the British, as presumably once they had to do ...

There’s nothing complicated about it. Around 1500 “Police” were brought from England to police the public to free-up military personnel who could then be used in the mountains to go after the actual EOKA fighters.

Remember this link?

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.ar ... ?PubID=648

From there, you can click on “Read Now” to open the PDF (Acrobat) document.

Page 24 is where the “Case Study Cyprus” begins.


Well that link demonstrates that you can't just clone a technique and expect it to apply with equal effectiveness, regardless of the mentality of the people. The British underestimated the GCs and over-estimated the TCs :lol:

They deployed so many troops to Cyprus in the '50s and I have now gathered that there were Gurkha representatives in many Brigades, Rifles, Engineers, Royal Military Police and such like, so all I can guess is they fought alongside all the other misguided troops under Harding.

Perhaps Harding the anti-hero to the British Army could be remembered for a special bust, if they go ahead with their pseudo Memorial in the "trnc" ...

Security force misbehavior played a key role in mobilizing world
opinion against Britain. In the end, the insurgents were grateful for
Harding’s strategy. Colonel Grivas, the insurgent leader whom the
British never caught, declared that the first act of the new government
after Cypriot independence should be to raise a statue to Field
Marshal Harding, “since he had done more than anybody else to
keep alive the spirit of Hellenic resistance in Cyprus.”


Source: GR!'s link
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Postby CopperLine » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:32 pm

As it happens the Gurkhas (QAOGLI) have just finished a tour of duty in Nicosia as part of the UK contribution to the UNFICYP.

Oh, and under international law the Gurkha units of the British, Indian and Brunei armies are not mercenaries.

Instead of guessing, speculating and generally making things up why, Oracle, don't you stop posting and go and do a little bit of reading and investigating ?
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Postby Nikitas » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:15 pm

Interesting comments above re the British in Cyprus. I will add my vivid memories again.

Re the searches as Bir describes them. Apparently a lot less finesse was used when searcing Greek Cypriot houses. In Famagusta our house was turned over twice in two months. EVERYTHING was upturned after EVERY occupant was bodily searched and made to stand in one room while the search went on. Our neighbor house downstairs had some walls drilled. All toy guns were confiscated and awkward questions asked about large kitchen knives.

The comment above about Scots sodliers not having pockets. Well, my brother and I came across a pile of sporrans in the ancient city of Salamis in 1960. It was a strange find, all these sporrans heaped on the ground. I remember I sorted through them and found a few in fairly good condition and revived them with lots of shoe polish. Strange things happen in wartime! Could it be that the Scots soldiers were made to discard their sporrans so they could not carry money?
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Postby denizaksulu » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:43 pm

I often wonder, whether the search parties knew whether the houses they searched were GC or TC. Thats in mixed villages. Otherwise it would be easy to pick them out. I dont think they ever cared whose house it was.
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Postby Talisker » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:41 pm

Paphitis wrote:We are all well aware of Britain’s crimes in Cyprus. The implementation of draconian curfews, the intrusive violations of people's homes, the beatings, the arresting of political dissidents and their torture, and cold blooded murder committed against a people who merely wanted their self rule and determination. Crimes such as this have made Britain one of the most hated nations in the world.

British barbarism has been prevalent over many centuries and even continues to this very day. A truly heartless nation, which displays no compassion to fellow humans.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 53493.html

It is also terrible to have learnt the ghastly fact that Britain has caused well over 1 million civilian deaths during "The Irish Potato Famine".

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/697876789

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Pota ... (1845-1849)

The internet is absolutely littered with historical references to atrocities committed by this most cowardly nation.

And to top things off, we have some expat Brits here who only moan about our upfront and direct views. They attack other members personally because they do not have the ability to speak to people in a direct and charismatic manner. They really do need to really take a good look at their country and themselves before they speak to anyone in Cyprus in such a snobbish and bitchy way, because quite frankly we have seen your brute force in the past and you had demoralised our people over decades.

Even for you Paphitis, this is the most ridiculously arrogant post, full of gross generalisations, and once again showing your high self regard. You yourself seem to want to claim the moral high ground on every possible occasion - as illustrated in your recent spats with Miltiades, and also with your previous hero, GR!.

British expats have to communicate on this forum in a 'direct and charismatic' manner do they? I bow to your charisma Paphitis, I really do. And if you want direct, then us Brits can 'do' direct - I think you're full of shit - direct enough for you? For example, explain why you made such a song and dance about leaving the forum before returning in grand style to grace us with your charismatic presence and views? Is your word to be believed? I think not.........

But still, from your lofty perch you blast us Brits. You, the perfect individual, us the indirect, uncharismatic citizens of a most cowardly nation. You more than anyone else like to 'have a go' at the Brits as many of us have witnessed through reading your threads:
What has Britain contributed to Cyprus??????
WANTED****Queen Elizabeth****For Murder
Social Experiment - Freedom of Speech and Racism!
- this was one of the most pathetic threads I ever read.......

Strikes me you have a major chip on your shoulder. I myself, as a Brit, have no great pride in Britain's colonial past, in Cyprus or elsewhere, or in our current overseas 'adventures' (Iraq, Afghanistan) but to describe the UK as 'a truly heartless nation, which displays no compassion to fellow humans' is another inaccurate generalisation. Yes, our government is responsible for shameful foreign policy decisions which involve the military, and we as Brits can make our voices heard in protest at these decisions (many do, we live in a democracy). But many nations and people would also attest to the fact that the UK, for all its imperfections, is not heartless, and does show compassion to fellow humans. The UK is a multicultural society, not just a legacy of our colonial past, but also due to our generosity in accepting many individuals threatened in their own countries. We provide medical and educational aid to many countries, and have a strong culture of charitable donation. There are countless organisations throughout the country fostering international relations in many different spheres - some of this may be altruistic, but oftentimes beneficial to the partner nations. Only a fortnight ago I was at a seminar given by a medic, explaining the challenges of giving training in medical trauma treatments in disaster situations - earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, famine. She paid her own fare and used her annual leave to travel to these countries to provide this training. Hey, guess what Paphitis? She was as British as you could get. And the medical equipment she used was paid for by the British tax payer, or by charitable donation.

So perhaps you could show a little humility sometimes - you love to sneer at the expat Brits in Cyprus. Many of these are perfectly decent retired individuals who have made an honest living, paid their taxes, and are now using their right to live within another EU member state, Cyprus, with significant input into the Cypriot economy. Are you suggesting these people are not allowed to voice any opinions about the country in which they reside?

Yes, make your points about shortcomings in UK government policy, but do not tar all British citizens with the same brush. What is your point in bringing up the Irish potato famine? Do you really expect me, as a Brit living today, to feel personal responsibility and shame for this tragedy? And frankly, not yet being fifty years old I feel no responsibility for the role of the UK in Cyprus in the 1950s, 60s or 70s - I wasn't yet on this earth, or too young to have any influence at that time. Similarly, I believe you live in Australia. Should I berate you for the shameful actions of your government, over many decades, against the indigenous aborigine people? No, I would not do so, unless I had direct evidence that you were personally involved. You obviously resent the UK and its citizens because of the role played by past UK governments, civil servants and soldiers which led to the invasion, and subsequent division, of Cyprus. I accept the UK was culpable, as was Greece, the US, Turkey (obviously), and wow, what about this for a revelation Paphitis? - Cyprus and Cypriots too!

In this week of remembrance for the dead of the two world wars it is an absolute insult of the highest order to describe the UK as this most cowardly nation. Insulting, and inaccurate. There are some episodes in UK history for which I have no pride, but I am really proud of the UK in those wars, the stand made against tyrrany, the sacrifices made by the nation.

Possibly we wouldn't be able to write our views on a forum such as this if the outcome from those wars had been different. Freedom of speech is a great thing. Use it wisely. Think before you write!

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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:43 pm

Floda wrote:BirKibrisli, never read such a load of old bollocks !, kick the door in and turn over ALL beds is the standard mode of search by those seeking evidence of 'Terrorist Activities'.

Quite apart from the fact that the British would soon notice that there seemed to be a lot of sick and sleeping children about whenever they descended upon the unsuspecting victims of their aggression.

Or did they first send 'Notice of Intent' BEFORE they kicked the door in ?. :roll:


Come to think of it,Father did seem to have advance warning of the searches...And didn't seem paticularly worried...The door was never kicked in...Just a polite knock..And the search would begin..I guess you never came to our house back in the 50s,Floda.. :wink: :)
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Postby Oracle » Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:11 am

CopperLine wrote:As it happens the Gurkhas (QAOGLI) have just finished a tour of duty in Nicosia as part of the UK contribution to the UNFICYP.


Good... we know their peace-time duties! :roll:
This thread is about what they contributed to the EOKA neutralising efforts of the Brits. in the '50s!

Oh, and under international law the Gurkha units of the British, Indian and Brunei armies are not mercenaries.


If you look at my OP you will see I said "Mercenaries" (quotes) because it is my opinion based on a number of other sources and I understand International law says something else but it is open to dispute ... or do you always accept the Law as above criticism?

How much influence has the UK had on drawing up that precedent since it serves them to pay foreigners (Gurkhas) to fight their battles but retain integrity by absolving them from "Mercenary" status.

Shot themselves in the foot recently when they were reluctant to treat them as British citizens as these non "Mercenaries" expected :lol:

bolojhi wrote:When it comes to money-matters, the Brits have always regarded the Gurkhas as cheap laborers and mercenaries that you can recruit in a matter of months,


CopperLine wrote:Instead of guessing, speculating and generally making things up why, Oracle, don't you stop posting and go and do a little bit of reading and investigating ?


I did read ... hence why I came up with this thread. To fill in the gaps. Move along CopperLine ... you never do fill in for requested information!
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Postby CBBB » Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:22 am

Forget this rubbish O, there are a few threads in in Paphos that are dying for your input!
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:06 am

Talisker wrote:British expats have to communicate on this forum in a 'direct and charismatic' manner do they? I bow to your charisma Paphitis, I really do. And if you want direct, then us Brits can 'do' direct - I think you're full of shit - direct enough for you? For example, explain why you made such a song and dance about leaving the forum before returning in grand style to grace us with your charismatic presence and views? Is your word to be believed? I think not.........

Image I never thought Talisker would ever get this pissed off! A post straight from the heart…
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Postby Oracle » Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:02 am

Talisker wrote:In this week of remembrance for the dead of the two world wars it is an absolute insult of the highest order to describe the UK as this most cowardly nation. Insulting, and inaccurate. There are some episodes in UK history for which I have no pride, but I am really proud of the UK in those wars, the stand made against tyrrany, the sacrifices made by the nation.


Not cowardly, huh? :roll:

How many other countries used so many other nations to fight their wars as England has done? ... but which hides under the eumphemism of Great Britain or United Kingdom?

Because let's face it, it is the English which initialised the British Empire; but doggedly, slavically used the Scots, Irish, Welsh and yes, the Gurkhas, to fight their wars ....
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