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Postby Piratis » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:38 pm

Andors, the "18%-82%" is not what gave you away. Saying things like

defending our "higher" rights


is what makes it obvious that you are not a Greek Cypriot. While pretending to be a Greek Cypriot you are trying to present GCs in the worst way possible. GCs never wanted any "higher" rights my friend. What we want is nothing more than freedom to our homeland from foreign invaders, our human and democratic rights.

The only thing that you are defending is your dream of partition, the same one you had since the 50s and you are apparently now getting a bit frustrated that it didn't turn out exactly as you hoped for. After we rightfully rejected the Annan plan you thought everybody would rush to recognize you. Big mistake.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:43 pm

This can be easily settled. Let Andros post the following sentence in Greek…

“Ime kipreos re kobellia, giati en me bistefketai?”

:)
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Postby Sotos » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:51 pm

Get Real! wrote:This can be easily settled. Let Andros post the following sentence in Greek…

“Ime kipreos re kobellia, giati en me bistefketai?”

:)


Some old TCs speak greek. He said he was old... :? I see him online now. Lets see how much time it will take him to make the translation :twisted:

Correction: who is see online is AndreasP. Andros must be hidden!
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Postby Andros » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:12 pm

Piratis,

Speedy reply....

You said:
After we rightfully rejected the Annan plan you thought everybody would rush to recognize you. Big mistake.


I'm not going to bother trying to convince anyone anymore. However, regarding your Quote above.....That was exactly what Turkey wanted mate - do you not understand. Turkey obviously knew that we would say "OXI" to such a plan, that's why it "Allowed" the "CTP" party to vote for such a plan - where do you think the CTP party got its finance's from? It's main aim therefore was not for the recognition of the so-called TRNC, but for the Removal of the Isolation - which has obviously started - Get it? This is a serious misunderstanding Piratis on our behalf....let my tell you another way. Have you not heard of the Website "Embargoed"?

(1) If the so-called TRNC is recognised, which is never Turkey's intention, it will obviously become an EU member, right? Then it would integrate with our ROC, then the Turkish Army would have to completely leave and Turkey would naturally have No Say! Turkey would NEVER advocate, and never has pushed for the Recognition of the so-called TRNC! Do think it couldn't after so many years? Please think about it Piratis.

(2) And finally, Turkey's only true intention is to remove the isolation only by pushing the Cyprus problem to the point of "No Agreement". Thus, it's main objective is ANNEXATION - TAKSIM! TURKEY DOES NOT, AND NEVER WILL ALLOW THE TURKISH CYPRIOT TO HAVE FULL CONTROL OF NORTHERN CYPRUS. It's ludicrous to even think that it would leave Northern Cyprus in Turkish Cypriot hands - Come on, do you seriously believe Turkey trust's the Turkish Cypriots? Remember the Rubbish Mr Talat went through as a CTP party leader only? And how he's suddenly become Ankara's man. This of course has also come as a shock to President Christofias as Mr Talat is not the same person many years ago - he is a controlled man!

Turkey therefore would be happy to see the following:
A UN Agreement of Two inter-states with its Guarantor rights secured
Or
Complete, legal Annexation.

You see Piratis, Turkey knows that the TRNC can never be recognised due to Russian objection and all of the UN articles and Resolutions against it. However, if we continue to say "OXI" to all these UN Plans, Turkey could use this as a reasonable Pretext to ANNEX Northern Cyprus. It could simply say that the continued failure of the UN to secure a plan has pushed the Turkish Cypriots into accepting Annexation with Turkey as the only way forward. Think about how the Turkish Cypriots Trade and Travel to Northern Cyprus. They refer to Northern Cyprus when travelling as Ercan, Mersin 10, Turkey - am I wrong? They can post letters to Northern Cyprus as Mersin 10, Turkey and now they can OPEN industries and hotels like HSBC, VODA Phone contracts and etc under TURKISH (TK) License agreements.

You have understood wrong Piratis about the result of a "NO" to a future UN Plan. This will be a PRETEXT to ANNEXATION with Turkey and NOT Recognition. Think about the Legal, Political and the argument at a UN level before next answering mate. Don't be fooled.

What you've mentioned about is exactly what the Turks want you to believe and Say. Show me in Black and White where Turkey in all of its legal and political references on Cyprus does it say it follows a Recognition of the TRNC policy?

Turkey does not OFFICIALLY recognise the TRNC - and never will. I guarantee you that if the EU recognised the TRNC and automatically made it an EU member, Turkey the NEXT day would annex Northern Cyprus and would shelve its EU application. I know Turkish Politics far better than you could ever know. My English may not be as good as yours Piratis, but my Greek is Superb. Naturally, I would never tell you who I really am, but believe what I say above as for the protection of the island of Cyprus.

If our Politicians had any sense and true foresight, as clearly they do not as the Cyprus issue would have been resolved many moons ago, they would start negotiating on an agreed Partition policy tomorrow.

This would both gain huge praise by the international community and would push for Northern Cyprus to be operated and controlled by Turkish Cypriots only, with the view of accepting them into the EU as soon as possible. Once a Turkish Cypriot State is part of the EU, and Turkey is not, our integration as one Cyprus would be much easier and without return. Turkey would not be able to keep its military there and any guarantor powers would be naturally diluted due to the EU Acquis!

The ball is in our court Piratis. I hope I haven't offended you in anyway, but you must believe me.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:43 am

...please read my manifesto.

three governing bodies, two levels of government: one cyprus; bicommunal.
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Postby Andros » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:28 pm

repulsewarrior

You said:
...please read my manifesto.

three governing bodies, two levels of government: one Cyprus; bicommunal.


I say:
One Governing Body, One Single level of Government and One Cyprus. A Cyprus which conforms completely with the EU Acquis, respects the Democratic rule of Majority Voting and which the Turkish Cypriot 11-18% remains that! IT will only be "Bi Communal" in the sense of Collaboration, like how other nations respect their minorities, and do not upgrade them to "Partners". The Greek Cypriot view therefore is one that does not agree to any bogus "Power Sharing" Government, does not agree to any "Levels" of Government, and certainly does not agree to a "Loose Confederal" Structure. Your view of a "Bicommunal" solution greatly differs from ours. We believe the word "Unification" should mean unification and not segregation, derogation or division!
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Postby Sotos » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:34 pm

Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:This can be easily settled. Let Andros post the following sentence in Greek…

“Ime kipreos re kobellia, giati en me bistefketai?”

:)


Some old TCs speak greek. He said he was old... :? I see him online now. Lets see how much time it will take him to make the translation :twisted:

Correction: who is see online is AndreasP. Andros must be hidden!


So he now admitted that he is not a GC. I think he is also lying when he said he was old because most old TCs speak Greek.
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Postby Andros » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:28 pm

Hi Sotos De Mentos!!

You must really think I am stupid - it's amazing! A forum like this dictates only one position. And, that the position of Opinion! You know my opinion on the Cyprus issue, you know how much I DO NOT want a Federal agreement as it cements the Turkish policy of "Taksim" integration with Turkey. Our down fall Sotos is that we lay too much trust in our government, and their failed long-term decisions. We lack foresight, where the Turks are settled with the present status quo. They increase in huge numbers, practically destroying the North of any pre-Greek Cypriot existence, why we beg their puney Turkish Cypriot minority to bad our cause for a pure unification. Let me tell you in short Sotos, we do not have long before the Turkish Cypriots suddenly switch on us. They have now seen it all with the mistake of allowing them to cross the Crease-Fire line without giving up their "TRNC" nationality passports. We have given them a ROC passport, which they present to the international community as one of their "Dual Nationality" passports. And, they live in the former properties owned by our fathers. And after all this, it's the weak Greek CYpriots like you who strongly believe that there is a return to those "Pure" unification days where Turkey was a distant Farmer's country watching us with their wolf like fangs.

Face it Sotos, we'd better push our Cyprus government to agree on an Agreed Partition basis under the blessing of the EU before we suddenly wake up to a Turkey and Northern Cyprus Republic.

Check out how the CIA website writes its Cyprus map - Do you see a "Republic of Cyprus" and a "Turkish Occupied Area" on its map? Clearly not! We'd better pull up our socks before it's too late, and stop dreaming of the past. Think about who opened the border = Denktash, and now think about who is really in control of the Cyprus Talks on the Turkish Cypriot side = Turkey.

Source of Map:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/cy.html


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Another Pretext for Partition: Source: CIA Website:
Background:
A former British colony, Cyprus became independent in 1960 following years of resistance to British rule. Tensions between the Greek Cypriot majority and Turkish Cypriot minority came to a head in December 1963, when violence broke out in the capital of Nicosia. Despite the deployment of UN peacekeepers in 1964, sporadic intercommunal violence continued forcing most Turkish Cypriots into enclaves throughout the island. In 1974, a Greek Government-sponsored attempt to seize control of Cyprus was met by military intervention from Turkey, which soon controlled more than a third of the island. In 1983, the Turkish-held area declared itself the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" (TRNC), but it is recognized only by Turkey. The latest two-year round of UN-brokered talks - between the leaders of the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities to reach an agreement to reunite the divided island - ended when the Greek Cypriots rejected the UN settlement plan in an April 2004 referendum. The entire island entered the EU on 1 May 2004, although the EU acquis - the body of common rights and obligations - applies only to the areas under direct government control, and is suspended in the areas administered by Turkish Cypriots. However, individual Turkish Cypriots able to document their eligibility for Republic of Cyprus citizenship legally enjoy the same rights accorded to other citizens of European Union states. The election of a new Cypriot president in 2008 served as the impetus for the UN to encourage both the Turkish and Cypriot Governments to reopen unification negotiations.
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Postby Andros » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:34 pm

Even the CIA Website uses the Words "Intervention" instead on Invasion!

The present UN Process by President Christofias is clearly a major mistake, one that Former and REAL President Papadopoulos is obviously smashing his head against the wall about. We need to now move fast, and I am not joking.

Take it lightly Sotos, and continue trying to condemn your own, but clearly you are wasting your time with an old-timer like me - concentrate your political and legal skills against the Turkish Cypriot enemy my son.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:46 pm

Your failure to translate the very basic GC line of text I posted is evidence that you’re a dishonest man Andros. Bye-bye... :lol:
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