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Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:53 pm

Creationism might be on the back foot in America, but it is blossoming elsewhere as Richard Dawkins discovered when Turkish readers told him they could no longer access his website. Dawkins's offence was to satirise Harun Yahya, the pen name of Adnan Oktar, the front man for a wealthy Islamic publishing house. Its lavishly illustrated Atlas of Creation spends 500 pages comparing fossils with present-day species to argue that evolution never took place. Dawkins looked at a picture of an ancient fossilised eel and a picture of what Yahya claimed was a modern eel and pointed out that it was in fact a sea snake. :roll:

Yahya went on to represent the immutability of God's creation by claiming that a fossilised insect had survived unchanged for millions of years. Unfortunately, the modern version of the caddis fly Yahya chose to illustrate his point was not a fly at all, but a steel fish-hook with a fake insect on top to lure fish on to the line. :lol:

Yahya is a joke, but few Turks are laughing. Index on Censorship reported last week that the Turkish courts and the Islamist government were banning Turks from accessing YouTube and the hosting sites Blogger and WordPress for various moral and political reasons as well as richarddawkins.net. When Bianet, a Turkish human rights group, published a critical piece, Yahya told its journalists: 'This is an insulting article, take it off the internet or we will have you banned like Richard Dawkins.'

'On the one hand, fundamentalists say all they want is a debate,' said Padraig Reidy of Index. 'But as soon as they get power, they close debate down.'

Westerners say that Yahya reminds them of American creationists. The link is more solid than they know. In Atlas of Creation, Yahya acknowledges his debt to Duane Gish from the Institute for Creation Research in Texas. Gish has spent years arguing that the fossil record contains no evidence of species evolving and blustering whenever a palaeontologist contradicted him. As a Muslim, Yahya did not need to accept the institute's Protestant fundamentalist 'young-Earth' doctrine - the notion that God made the world in 4004BC or thereabouts. But he happily borrowed Gish's equally idiotic delusion that today's species cannot have evolved and must therefore be identical to their ancestors of tens or hundreds of millions of years ago.

Vast sums of probably Saudi money are fuelling the move of creationism across the Atlantic. In Turkey and the Middle East, poor schools are grateful for Yahya's free books and scientists are becoming frightened of speaking out. Last year, the Council of Europe warned that Yahya was also targeting schools in France, Belgium, Spain and Switzerland. In Britain, academics talk of expelling mainly Muslim science students. They do not make a fuss about it in case post-modern relativists in the mould of Steve Fuller accuse them of religious discrimination, but say, very quietly, that if religion stops their students accepting evolution, there is no point in them staying at university.


Source: The Observer 02.11.08
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Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:01 pm

Here is the bird brained Turk settled in Constantinople several Centuries after his people destroyed the Byzantium, and now offering trillions of Lira for fossils that would disprove Evolution .... :lol:

http://www.hyahya.org/new_releases/news ... azeera.php
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Postby Oracle » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:57 am

What! :shock:

Does no one care about Science in Turkey? :?

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Postby Bubble 'n' squeak » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:20 am

Oracle wrote:What! :shock:

Does no one care about Science in Turkey? :?

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No, not really :D
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Postby SSBubbles » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:18 am

Oracle wrote:What! :shock:

Does no one care about science in Turkey? :?

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The country is not the issue. Science - take it or leave it! :wink:
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Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:54 am

Personally I'm fed-up with Turkey bashing on this forum... :evil:
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Postby SSBubbles » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:58 am

cyprusgrump wrote:Personally I'm fed-up with Turkey bashing on this forum... :evil:



Seconded :evil:
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Postby CBBB » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:07 am

SSBubbles wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:Personally I'm fed-up with Turkey bashing on this forum... :evil:



Seconded :evil:


Yes, but it should make them nice and tender for Christmas dinner!
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Postby Oracle » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:12 am

cyprusgrump wrote:Personally I'm fed-up with Turkey bashing on this forum... :evil:


Well let's just ignore the few voices in Turkey crying to be heard by Westerners, to help pull their government/those in Power, into the 20th ( :roll: ) Century, because we don't want to hear another's plight lest it disturb our comfortable existence.

Sometimes there are regimes that have to be "bashed" ... especially as it happens ones that threaten to change the civilised way of life you take for granted!


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Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:22 am

Oracle wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:Personally I'm fed-up with Turkey bashing on this forum... :evil:


Well let's just ignore the few voices in Turkey crying to be heard by Westerners, to help pull their government/those in Power, into the 20th ( :roll: ) Century, because we don't want to hear another's plight lest it disturb our comfortable existence.

Sometimes there are regimes that have to be "bashed" ... especially as it happens ones that threaten to change the civilised way of life you take for granted!


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I apologise... I thought it was the Cyprus forum... not Greenpeace or some such... :?
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